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»Wenn Menschen sich dem Krieg verweigern, dann werden Kriege unmöglich« – Interview mit Özlem Demirel

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JACOBIN Podcast
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May 8, 2026
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Summary

Özlem Demirel argues that the Linke party must bridge the gap between anti-militarism and class politics to prevent social erosion. She advocates for mobilizing the working class against the rising costs of military expansion and the threat of nationalist populism.

Topics

  • Linke Party
  • Anti-militarism
  • Class Politics
  • Military Spending
  • European Union
  • Labor Organizing
  • Internationalism
  • Social Welfare

Highlights

  • Main idea: Military expansion, such as the procurement of naval frigates, directly threatens social welfare and housing stability
  • Failure mode: The rise of right-wing populism is driven by political resignation and the failure of mainstream parties to address economic interests
  • Practical takeaway: Leftist organizing must move beyond academic circles and embed itself directly within industrial workplaces
  • Main idea: True internationalism requires building connections with progressive movements in the US, China, and the Middle East to oppose imperialist trends
  • Strategic goal: Preventing global conflict depends on the ability of populations to actively refuse and obstruct the machinery of war

Chapters

  1. 1:00 The Linke's Identity Crisis: An analysis of the party's struggle to balance opposition politics with its role in foreign policy debates.
  2. 2:40 The Cost of Rearmament: Demirel explains her candidacy and the direct link between military spending and the dismantling of social achievements.
  3. 4:40 Personal Politics and Identity: A discussion on the impact of migration, racism, and personal history on political perspective.
  4. 6:20 The Challenge of Anti-Militarism: Addressing why the party struggles to project its anti-imperialist and anti-militarist positions externally.
  5. 8:10 Mobilizing Against Social Cuts: The necessity of highlighting the connection between defense budgets and the erosion of the welfare state.
  6. 9:50 Organizing the Working Class: Moving away from 'salon socialism' toward active presence and structural organization within companies.
  7. 11:40 Countering Right-Wing Populism: How to combat nationalist narratives and the AfD's growing influence in labor sectors.