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428: ‘Michigan-Starred Fine Dining’, With Louie Mantia

Podcast: The Talk Show With John Gruber
Published: Jul 31, 2025
Duration seconds: 11139
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Summary

Special guest Louie Mantia joins the show to talk about Liquid Glass, the various OS 26 updates, and the worrisome state of Apple's UI design overall. Also: sandwiches.