# 428: ‘Michigan-Starred Fine Dining’, With Louie Mantia

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Podcast: [The Talk Show With John Gruber](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-talk-show-with-john-gruber-388809)
Published: 2025-07-31T23:25:18+00:00
Episode link: https://daringfireball.net/thetalkshow/2025/07/31/ep-428
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Special guest Louie Mantia joins the show to talk about Liquid Glass, the various OS 26 updates, and the worrisome state of Apple's UI design overall. Also: sandwiches.

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