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Utah, Upward Mobility, and the Future of the American Dream | Justin Callais
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- Defending Ideas
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- Feb 3, 2026
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Summary
A new national report ranks all 50 states on upward mobility — and Utah comes out on top. In this episode of Defending Ideas , Nic Dunn sits down with Archbridge Institute Chief Economist Justin Callais to unpack what upward mobility really looks like, why states play a decisive role, and what policymakers can learn from the states that are getting it right. Show Notes: Social Mobility in the 50 States: 2025 Edition To restore hope for families in poverty, let states lead on welfare reform Let states fix the welfare system that Washington broke Defending Ideas is a weekly podcast produced by Sutherland Institute. On this show, we are committed to renewing the principles of common sense conservatism, making you a better champion of sound ideas. Visit defendingideas.org.