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Episode #7 The Unified Bodymind

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When Will They Learn?
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Apr 30, 2026
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Summary

In a funny episode complete with robotic pigeons and disturbing AI-generated images (see below), Greg and Caiti look at some of the more popular conversations in the education world right now. Starting off with a discussion around gamification and broader technology use in the classroom, they consider the role of schools and the impacts of trying to appeal to student interests in a contrived way in the classroom. They then switch to a research theme for the remainder of the episode, starting off with a discussion about Professor John Hattie’s research, in light of recent allegations about plagiarism in his work. The conversation centres on the research methodology used and flaws within this. Finally, they draw on a presentation that contrasts the ‘Science of Learning’ with the ‘sciences of learning’: what they mean for ‘fun’ in the classroom, teacher professional judgment and education research in general. Have something you want us to discuss in a future episode? Or want to find us? Get in touch Greg Ashman Greg is a school leader at Ballarat Clarendon College and holds a PhD in instructional design from UNSW. Substack – Filling the Pail LinkedIn – Greg Ashman X/Twitter – @greg_ashman If you’re interested in working with Greg at Ballarat Clarendon College, please see here for open roles and expressions of interest . Caiti Wade Caiti is a leader of pedagogy at a boys’ secondary school in Brisbane and is doing her EdD in applications of cognitive load theory to secondary mathematics. Substack – The Disruptive Educator LinkedIn – Caiti Wade X/Twitter – @caiti_wade Episode resources * You Can’t Game Your Way to a Real Education - The New York Times * Professor John Hattie from the University of Melbourne School of Education probed over plagiarism | Herald Sun * ‘Defending…