Episode

The secular saints of Civil Rights

Podcast: Think from KERA
Published: Jun 12, 2026
Duration seconds: 2791
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Summary

In many Black households of yesteryear, portraits of Martin Luther King, Jr. hung alongside pictures of John F. Kennedy and Jesus. Sharron Wilkins Conrad, fellow at Southern Methodist University’s Center for Presidential History, joins guest host John McCaa to discuss how Black families viewed martyred leaders who advocated for change and how that respect didn’t extent to President Johnson, who was tasked with actually passing Civil Rights legislation. Her book is “ The Trinity: John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, and Civil Rights in African American Memory .” Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices