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The Way the World Works: A Tuttle Twins Podcast fo... - How Did Two People From Massachusetts Advance Religious Liberty?
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- Jul 30, 2026
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Two colonists broke every rule of Puritan Massachusetts—and accidentally invented American religious liberty. The Puritans and Pilgrims sailed to America seeking freedom to worship as they pleased. But once they had power, they didn't extend that freedom to anyone else. In 1630s Massachusetts Bay Colony, only church members could vote, starting a new church required government permission, and criticizing religious leaders could get you fined, whipped, or banished. This episode was inspired by Murray Rothbard's dense but brilliant history "Conceived in Liberty" (the same historian behind the Tuttle Twins book Fate of the Future), and it dives into two people who challenged that system head-on: Roger Williams, a young minister who argued government should never control conscience, and Anne Hutchinson, a midwife and gifted speaker who dared to teach that salvation wasn't about blindly following rules set by political and religious leaders. Both were put on trial for "dangerous opinions." Both were banished. And both ended up in the same place: a new settlement called Rhode Island, where for the first time in the colonies, government didn't control religion—not just on paper, but in practice. Puritans, Baptists, Quakers, and people with no religion at all lived side by side. It was messy, it was chaotic at times, but it was free, and it planted the seed for what would eventually become the First Amendment. This episode traces how Roger Williams survived a brutal winter banishment with help from Native Americans whose land rights he'd defended, how Anne Hutchinson faced down an entire colony's leadership at her own trial (and was told she was being "cast out like a leper"), and why the freedom they built in Rhode Island still shapes how we think about the separation of chur…