Episode

Thomas Friedman on the Clash at the Core of the Iran Deal

Podcast: The Opinions
Published: Jun 24, 2026
Duration seconds: 1710
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Summary

The divide between Iran and America is, the Opinion columnist Thomas L. Friedman argues, ultimately about the difference between “Kushnerism” (named for the president’s son-in-law Jared Kushner) and “Khomeiniism” (named for the founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran). In conversation with the Opinion editor Dan Wakin, Friedman explains what he means and discusses what he sees as President Trump’s recent string of failures.