Episode

Reorganization plans can look clean on paper and turn out far messier in real life

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The Federal Drive with Terry Gerton

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May 18, 2026

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644

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Summary

A year ago, the Interior Department pitched a sweeping reorganization as a way to save money and streamline operations. What the evidence actually shows about how that played out is the focus of my conversation with Tim Whitehouse, executive director of Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .