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Ex-Gojek CTO: Why the Age of AI Rewards Builders as Judgment Becomes Expensive

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Tech Lead Journal
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Jul 13, 2026
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Summary

If expertise is becoming almost free, why is judgment becoming the most expensive skill in tech? Ajey Gore, former Gojek CTO, explains why the age of AI agents rewards builders over typists. In this episode, Ajey Gore, former Group CTO of Gojek and Operating Partner at Peak XV Partners, explains why coding agents are forcing software teams to rethink what “correct” really means. He argues that as expertise becomes cheap, judgment becomes the scarcest and most valuable skill in engineering. Ajey walks through why the classic developer-to-reviewer workflow no longer makes sense when agents can generate thousands of lines a day, and why trunk-based development, feature flags, and rigorous testing matter more than ever. He also shares how he built ClawStation solo, coordinating specialized AI agents through story cards instead of writing code by hand. The conversation covers why most organizations still fail to see returns from AI adoption, and what happens when leaders cut headcount without redesigning how work actually flows. Key topics discussed: Why judgment, not typing speed, is now the scarce skill The workflow mistake behind most failed AI adoption How Ajey built ClawStation solo without writing code Why he advocates trunk-based development to replace PRs The real risk of cutting headcount before rethinking work Why “earning time” matters as much as earning money Southeast Asia’s surprising advantage in the AI era Timestamps: (00:00:00) Trailer & Intro (00:04:10) What Has Life Been Like Since Leaving Peak XV? (00:09:02) Why Should You Create Slack Instead of Always Running Full Speed? (00:13:47) Why Being Uncomfortable and Replaceable Makes You More Valuable (00:18:12) Why Earning Time Matters as Much as Earning Money (00:24:57) Why Is This the Age of Builders,…