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The Jazz Duo Effect and The Absent PO — Two Sides of Agile Product Ownership | Christian Thordal
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- May 22, 2026
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Christian Thordal: The Jazz Duo Effect and The Absent PO — Two Sides of Agile Product Ownership The Great Product Owner: Clarity, Accountability, and a Partnership That Fills in the Blanks Read the full Show Notes and search through the world's largest audio library on Agile and Scrum directly on the Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast website: http://bit.ly/SMTP_ShowNotes . "We kind of filled in the blanks for each other, and it felt very natural — it's grown organically into this partnership where we're extremely aligned on how we see and do things." - Christian Thordal Christian describes his best Product Owner as someone he currently works with — a person who combines deep product clarity with genuine leadership. This PO is fully accountable for the backlog, sets clear expectations toward the teams, and isn't afraid to push them. What makes this PO stand out is how they use reporting as a communication tool: alongside the backlog, they proactively communicate to the product leader whether things are within or outside scope, always with a plan ready. Christian and this PO hold weekly follow-ups to discuss the team, the backlog, and the product direction. Over time, their alignment has become so strong that during facilitation sessions they naturally fill in blanks for each other — one picks up where the other leaves off. Vasco compared it to a jazz duo, where each musician picks up on the other's leads in real time. This kind of organic partnership in leadership direction reflects positively on the entire team, creating a sense of coherence and momentum that everyone can feel. Self-reflection Question: How aligned are you with your Product Owner on leadership direction, and what would it take to build the kind of partnership where you naturally fill in the blanks for each…