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Working Genius: Why Your Best People Are In The Wrong Roles with Patrick Lencioni
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- ScaleX™ Insider Podcast
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- Jul 8, 2026
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- 5209
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Summary
Most leaders are building teams around talent and titles when the real unlock has nothing to do with either. Patrick Lencioni, one of the most influential business thinkers on the planet, joins Brendan on episode 200 of the ScaleX Insider podcast to reveal why humble, hungry and smart beats brilliant every time, why your team's silence in meetings is costing you everything, and why the most dangerous person on your team might be your best performer. In this landmark 200th episode, Brendan sits down with Patrick Lencioni, bestselling author of The Five Dysfunctions of a Team, The Ideal Team Player, and The Six Types of Working Genius, to deliver what is arguably the most practical masterclass on building high performing teams ever recorded on this show. Pat opens by dismantling the idea that talent alone builds great organisations and introduces the three attributes he believes every team player must have: humble, hungry, and smart, not intellectually smart but socially aware, able to read a room, and conscious of how their actions land on others. He explains why most interviews are completely useless at identifying these qualities and shares three unconventional tactics that actually work, including taking candidates to a grocery store and what he calls scaring people with sincerity. The conversation then moves into the Six Types of Working Genius, a model that has reached almost two million people and growing, which identifies the six kinds of work that exist in every organisation and reveals that each of us is naturally energised by only two of them, competent in two, and quietly destroyed by the other two. Brendan shares that his own genius combination is galvanising and tenacity, and Pat unpacks exactly what that means for how he leads. They then go deep into the F…