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Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor - Caleb Campbell (audio podcast)
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- Jul 4, 2026
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Summary
Caleb Campbell joins Bob and David to discuss some of the content in his book, Disarming Leviathan: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor (InterVarsity Press, 2024). Caleb believes that while it’s possible to be both a Christian and hold Christian nationalist ideas, Christian nationalism itself is an unchristian worldview, rooted in the desire for power that is irreconcilable with the Christian faith. We recorded the first part of this interview on August 29, 2025. This was before the assassination of one of the leading voices of Christian American Nationalism, Charlie Kirk . In light of that devastating event, we thought we’d table the episode and then revisit with Caleb and get his thoughts. So the first part of this interview is from last year, and the second part is from this year. * Caleb shares his personal story of how people in his congregation became more strident about political issues and how he suffered relational fallout because of it. * What is Leviathan? And why does Caleb think that American Christian Nationalism is “Leviathan”? * Many feel that the actual Leviathan that has gripped the country is liberal progressivism. Is Caleb equally concerned about what’s happening with the secularist Left? * Politics seems to always revolve around anxiety and rage. But Christians should know better. We follow Jesus, who constantly told us, “Do not be afraid.” How do we help people move away from being so anxious and angry? * How do we engage with people who have become even more strident in light of the awful assassination of Charlie Kirk? * How is AI imagery creating iconography that creates a heretical syncretism of Christianity and Americana? * In the book, Caleb offers a “Field Guide for Responding to American Christian Nationalists.” The loose structure o…