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Pain, Power & The Game Nobody Wins | Chamath Palihapitiya x Nikhil Kamath | People by WTF
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- Mar 2, 2026
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I sat down with Chamath Palihapitiya. He sold a company to Nvidia for $20 billion, woke up the next morning, saw $13 billion hit the account, and felt nothing. This is a guy who grew up in a home with alcoholism and abuse, immigrated to Canada with nothing, lost billions on SPACs, rebuilt, and now says the whole game is exactly that — a game. We got into the uncomfortable stuff: why pain is the single best predictor of entrepreneurial success, why investing is never a team sport and anyone who says otherwise is losing money, and why Bitcoin has a structural flaw that will permanently cap its ceiling. Chamath makes the case that Trump is the most effective political athlete America has ever seen, that some form of socialism is probably inevitable if we don't fix student debt and housing, and that his next obsession is building the machine that makes the machine — a software factory for the AI era. 00:00 Introduction 06:09 Chamath’s Painful Childhood & Hunger 11:16 What Actually Matters Beyond Success 17:06 Business as a Game, Not Life 22:04 The Machine That Makes Machines 29:11 Trump, Trade & America’s Political Reset 37:30 Investing Lessons: Conviction Over Consensus 43:12 Bitcoin’s Structural Flaws & Limitations 49:56 The Conceptual Stack for AI Investing 55:12 AI Hype, Valuations & Catastrophising 58:26 Socialism’s Inevitable Rise & Boundary Fixes 1:03:48 Building Sovereign Social Media from India #nikhilkamath Co-founder of Zerodha and Gruhas Host of 'WTF is' & 'People By WTF' Podcast Twitter : https://x.com/nikhilkamathcio/ Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/nikhilkamathcio/ LinkedIn : https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikhilkamathcio/ Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/nikhilkamathcio/ #chamathpalihapitiya LinkedIN : https://www.linkedin.com/in/chamath/ X - https://…