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Elon Is the Best Financier of Our Generation
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- More or Less
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- Jun 19, 2026
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- 2450
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Summary
Sam and Jessica go two-on-two this week to unpack the SpaceX IPO and whether a $2.5 trillion valuation is actually justified, exploring why “it’s valuable because it’s valuable” may be a legitimate investment thesis and why Cursor’s $60 billion acquisition looks cheap in that context. They also break down Anthropic’s clash with the U.S. government over Fable 5, with Sam arguing the crackdown could be the best marketing in AI history, before debating the risks of tying software access to nationality. The episode closes with Meta’s AI morale problem, OpenAI burning nearly $4 billion in Q1 on $5.7 billion in revenue, the case for a multi-model future where no single frontier model wins, and why Sam believes token economics may be one of the most overlooked opportunities in economics. In lieu of Pop Culture Corner, Jessica brings a Reed Hastings book recommendation, while Sam once again demonstrates that having conviction and acting on it are apparently two different skill sets. After eight months of pitching DigitalOcean, he still doesn’t own the stock. Chapters: 00:00 - Teaser 01:47 - SpaceX IPO Analysis 09:17 - Narrative Assets and Retail Investing 12:09 - The Future of AI Models and Infrastructure 16:00 - Corporate Narratives, Employee Motivation, and Meta’s AI Challenges 22:58 - OpenAI’s Market Strategy and Impact 25:19 - Open Source Models and Market Share 27:01 - Economics of Tokens and Innovation 33:01 - Anthropic’s PR Strategy and Fable Model Release 35:24 - Government Stakes in AI Companies 39:04 - Reed Hasting's Book Recommendation We’re also on ↓ X: https://twitter.com/moreorlesspod Instagram: https://instagram.com/moreorless YouTube: https://youtu.be/ZVD3jS6Lexc Connect with us here: 1) Sam Lessin: https://x.com/lessin 2) Dave Morin: https://x.com/davemorin 3)…