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Jennifer Wallace on Mattering and the Lasso Way - S3E38 - NYT Best Selling Author of "Never Enough" and "Mattering"
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- Lassoing Leadership
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- Apr 21, 2026
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Episode Summary In this episode of Lassoing Leadership , Jason Rogers and co-host Garth Nichols sit down with bestselling author Jennifer Wallace to explore one of the most important—and often overlooked—ideas in leadership and education today: mattering. Together, they unpack what happens when achievement becomes the only currency in schools, and how leaders can intentionally build cultures where students, staff, and communities feel seen, valued, and deeply connected. This is a conversation about shifting from pressure to purpose—and from performance to people. Why mattering is a fundamental human need —and how it shapes motivation, well-being, and performance The hidden costs of toxic achievement culture on students and educators How small, intentional micro-moments of significance can transform school culture The role of gratitude and attunement in building authentic connection The power of a “corner person” and the idea of ego extension in supporting others Mattering isn’t a bonus—it’s foundational to healthy, thriving communities Culture shifts don’t require massive overhauls— small moments, done well, matter most Recognizing the person behind the performance builds trust and connection Moving from a zero-sum mindset to one of shared success strengthens resilience When schools prioritize mattering, the impact extends far beyond the classroom “Mattering is a fundamental human need.” “A corner person supports your ego extension.” “Attunement is feeling felt—truly understood.” Chapters 00:00 — Introduction to Leadership and Mattering 04:39 — Understanding Toxic Achievement Culture 06:55 — Why Mattering Matters in Schools 09:05 — Balancing Mattering and Achievement 11:46 — Clean Fuel vs. Dirty Fuel 12:59 — The Role of a Corner Person 17:15 — The Power of Gratitude 19…