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233: 4 Mindsets that modern marketing leaders need for unpredictable markets, with author Kathleen Schaub
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- Humans of Martech
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- Aug 18, 2026
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Summary
What's up everyone, today we have the pleasure of sitting down with Kathleen Schaub, Author, Strategist, and Advisor in Marketing Management and Organizations. We cover: (00:00) - Intro (01:19) - In This Episode (04:45) - Why Marketing Behaves More Like Weather Than a Machine (08:49) - The Four Mindsets Marketing Leaders Need for Complex Markets (14:06) - Why ROI Doesn't Work as a Marketing Measurement (18:19) - What Causal AI Can Actually Tell You About Marketing (28:37) - Why Your Marketing Budget Works Like an Investment Portfolio (34:21) - What Marketers Should Actually Be Held Accountable For (38:49) - The Surrogation Trap Behind Single Marketing Metrics (44:09) - Why Marketing Managers Should Create Conditions Instead of Commands (50:00) - How Pace Layering Makes a Marketing Budget Adaptable (57:16) - How Intention Decides What Deserves Your Energy Summary: Marketing has spent a century pretending it's a machine you can feed cash and read like a receipt, and Kathleen Schaub is here to take that apart. She makes the case that markets behave more like weather than vending machines, walks through her 4 mindset shifts for leading in the chaos, and explains why a single north-star metric quietly wrecks your decisions. Along the way there's a butterfly in Brazil, a cucumber garden in Canada, a poker champion, and a COO who begged for the book on a cruise. If you've ever had to defend marketing ROI in a boardroom and felt the ground move under you, this conversation names what's really going on. About Kathleen Schaub Kathleen Schaub is an author, strategist, and advisor focused on marketing management and organizations, working through KathleenSchaub.com. She spent 9 years leading IDC's CMO Advisory practice, where she advised hundreds of technology marketing leaders, a…