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230: Zero-click marketing broke the measurement layer, so what should ops teams do now, with Amanda Natividad
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- Humans of Martech
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- Jul 28, 2026
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Summary
What's up everyone, today we have the pleasure of sitting down with Amanda Natividad, Chief Evangelist at SparkToro and co-author of Zero Click Marketing. We'll cover: (00:00) - Intro (01:14) - In This Episode (06:37) - Why Attribution Breaks Down in a Zero Click World (16:09) - What the Alligator Graph Means for Ops Teams (22:46) - How to Run a Zero Click Launch Week You Can Actually Measure (32:35) - How Incrementality Testing Works at Enterprise Scale (38:09) - What Audience Listening Adds to the Marketing Ops Stack (42:50) - What Content Leaders Need From Marketing Ops (47:59) - How to Turn Audience Research Into an Operational System (52:00) - How AI Visibility Changes Zero Click Marketing (58:36) - Setting Boundaries to Protect Your Energy and Focus Summary: zero click marketing won the strategy war, and now nobody can prove it's working. Amanda has spent over a decade building marketing that lives where the audience already is, and in this episode she takes apart the measurement crisis that creates. We get into why your attribution dashboard is quietly lying to you, how a viral story about HubSpot losing 80% of its organic traffic actually hid record revenue, and what a 25 million dollar ad blackout taught Dropbox about the gap between credit and cause. She also shows how to turn audience research into an operational system and why winning AI visibility comes down to writing genuinely good stuff. Stick around for the launch-week playbook and the overslept-webinar story that completely reframes how she guards her time. About Amanda Natividad Amanda Natividad is the Chief Evangelist at SparkToro, the audience research startup, and the founder of Zero Click Marketing, a podcast and consultancy built around the framework she co-created with Rand Fishkin in 2022. She…