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When Systems Protect Abusers, Shame Steps In
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- Feb 11, 2026
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Summary
One of the many things that has struck me in recent weeks is the instances of Minneapolis protestors chanting, “Shame!” at ICE agents. It’s notable because many of these protestors are presumably Brené Brown-loving liberals who are, generally, not fans of shame. Where does this impulse come from? I’ve been chewing on the comments left by my amazing readers on last week’s post , and they’ve helped me realize that this impulse towards shame points to a broken system. One thing that a few deft readers pointed out is the difference between shame and accountability. Reader Stephanie Alter Jones put it this way: “…a lot of shamelessness among the powerful makes it seem like they "need" to be brought down in that way since they refuse to do it on their own. But rules-based social orders work better as accountability mechanisms for community behavior. I'd rather see rules or guidelines strengthened and followed rather than more public flogging.” And reader Christina added: “I do think consequences are more important than shame. I would much rather some of our shameless leaders be removed from power than for them to feel shame. Again, accountability but at the political rather than the personal level.” I think, in my defense of “healthy shame” what I was actually looking for was accountability . Heretic Hereafter is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. When accountability is in short supply (as with ICE agents breaking the law with impunity) people fall back on shame as a last resort. It’s as if we’re saying, “Even if the government allows this, how could you ? Didn’t your parents teach you better?” Shame feels like a last resort, the sign of a system that is straining to define unacceptable behav…