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NN Ep:7 Meta-Politics: Designing Digital Environments for Civic Power with Audrey & Nathan Schneider
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- Dec 6, 2025
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New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the Network Nations mini-series, Primavera De Filippi & Felix Beer speak with Audrey Tang, former Digital Minister of Taiwan, and Nathan Schneider, professor and author of Governable Spaces. Together they explore Meta-Politics — the foundational design of digital infrastructures that shape how civil society governs itself online. Audrey and Nathan discuss how platforms today constrain collective action, how democratic protocols like alignment assemblies can counter online harms, and why new governance substrates must embed values such as plurality, civic care, interoperability, and entanglement. They also examine decentralized identities, freedom of movement, DAOs, religion as governance, and how network-native communities can evolve into political actors. A powerful conversation about the next layer of digital democracy — and what it takes to build civic technologies that empower global communities. 🌱 greenpill.network 🌐 networknations.network @owocki @greenpillnet @audreyt @ntnsndr 00:00 – Cold start 02:18 – Introducing Audrey Tang & Nathan Schneider 03:07 – Nathan: "Why I worry about the word meta" 05:10 – Nation-states as fragile historical accidents 06:15 – Self-governing online networks as new politics 08:16 – How today's platforms limit civic life 10:22 – Blockchains break the server–client power structure 12:17 – Nation-states reacting to decentralized governance 14:33 – Audrey: Democracy as a "social technology" 16:37 – Deepfakes, alignment assemblies & Taiwan's model 18:33 – Crowdsourced policymaking at national scale 20:49 – Freedom of movement & interoperability design 22:48 – What Network Nation aims to build 24:52 – Audrey's "Six-Pack of Care" 27:13 – Embedding civic care into protocols 29:21 – Bridgin…