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Where Do YOU Get Off the Doom Train? Live Debate at Manifest 2026
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- Doom Debates!
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- Jul 25, 2026
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- 3050
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Summary
Producer Ori takes over hosting duties in this special episode, a live recording from Manifest 2026. He takes attendees for a ride on The Doom Train, the series of claims involved in arguing that P(Doom) is high. Every stop is a place where people get off before reaching that conclusion. The crowd at Manifest is a mix of forecasters, rationalists, and AI researchers with a wide range of P(Doom) positions. Even without me or Eliezer in the room, there are plenty of Yudkowskians to push back on the accelerationist claims. Watch along and decide where YOU get off, or if you ride all the way to doomtown with us. Also, grab the Doom Train framework down below so you can get to the crux of disagreement in your own AI x-risk conversations. Timestamps 00:00:00 — Cold Open 00:00:25 — Liron Introduces Producer Ori’s Manifest Session 00:02:30 — Previewing the Doom Train™ Stops 00:03:38 — Audience P(Doom) Poll 00:05:00 — Stop 1: AGI Isn’t Coming Soon 00:10:43 — Stop 2: AI Can’t Go Far Beyond Human Intelligence 00:15:05 — Stop 3: AI Won’t Be a Physical Threat 00:18:14 — Stop 4: Intelligence Yields Moral Goodness 00:21:38 — Will ASI Behave Because Alien ASIs Are Watching? 00:26:01 — Stop 5: We Have a Safe AI Development Process 00:28:33 — Stop 6: AI Capabilities Will Rise at a Manageable Pace 00:30:08 — Stop 7: AI Won’t Try to Conquer the Universe 00:34:22 — Stop 8: Superalignment Is a Tractable Problem 00:38:01 — Stop 9: Once We Solve Superalignment, We’ll Enjoy Peace 00:41:14 — Stop 10: Unaligned ASI Will Spare Us 00:47:35 — Stop 11: AI Doomerism Is Bad Epistemology 00:49:02 — Bonus Stops and Wrap-Up The Doom Train Framework Stops on the Doom Train AGI isn’t coming soon * No consciousness * No emotions * No creativity — AIs are limited to copying patterns in their training data, t…