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Letting Go of "Normal" to Finally Try Again (with Steve Kamb)
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- A Productive Conversation
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- Jun 12, 2026
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This episode is brought to you by Your Clockwise Week—a personalized weekly structure built around your actual life, not an ideal one. If your week feels full but not fitting, you can learn more at mikevardy.com/yourclockwiseweek . There's a loop most of us know well, even if we've never named it: feel behind, find the thing that's going to fix everything, go all in for a few weeks, get derailed by life, and start over — carrying a little more shame each time. It doesn't matter whether we're talking about fitness, productivity, or building a business. The pattern is the same, and so is the trap. We keep waiting for things to get back to normal so we can try again properly. But what if that version of normal isn't coming back? Steve Kamb is the founder of Nerd Fitness, which has grown over 17 years into a platform that has coached more than 20,000 people one-on-one. His new book, How to Try Again , grew out of that work — specifically from the most universal problem he kept encountering across thousands of conversations: the all-or-nothing mindset. Steve built a four-part framework called PACT — Pause, Accept, Change, Try — to help people break the doom loop and stop waiting for ideal conditions that never arrive. Six Discussion Points The pause is the hardest part of PACT not because it requires effort, but because it requires restraint — and our productivity culture has no patience for it. Slowing down feels like falling behind, when it's often the only way to figure out if you're even moving in the right direction. "Normal" is not a destination you return to — it's whatever your actual days look like right now, including the chaos, the interruptions, and the laundry on the floor. Waiting for a predictable routine to materialize before you start is a way of never star…