{"podcast":{"title":"Zero Click Marketing","slug":"zero-click-marketing-7753148","podcast_index_feed_id":7753148,"rss_url":"https://feeds.transistor.fm/zero-click-marketing","website_url":"http://zeroclickmarketing.co/podcast","image_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/da9L7phYHdmaR0F3z4vfY3YfPtpt8Fax-b-r5NLkfVw/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:1400/h:1400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9lMDlm/NDRhOGIzZTBjNDc2/ZGU1NWE3MTIzYjg2/ZDNmMy5qcGc.jpg","author":"Amanda Natividad","episode_count":22,"summary":"Zero Click Marketing is a marketing strategy podcast about content marketing, audience research, and how brands grow when clicks matter less. Hosted by Amanda Natividad, Chief Evangelist at SparkToro, the show explores how marketers reach audiences, build influence, and earn attention in a zero-click internet. New to the show? Start with Episode 2: What Zero Click Marketing Actually Is.","last_synced_at":"2026-06-23T18:17:54.465256+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/zero-click-marketing-7753148"},"episode":{"title":"Why Better Attribution Won’t Fix Your Measurement Problem","slug":"why-better-attribution-won-t-fix-your-measurement-problem","published_at":"2026-04-07T08:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/zero-click-marketing-7753148/why-better-attribution-won-t-fix-your-measurement-problem","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/zero-click-marketing-7753148","url":"https://share.transistor.fm/s/b6b498c0","audio_url":"https://media.transistor.fm/b6b498c0/629b66fb.mp3","summary":"A lot of marketers say they want better measurement. Usually, what they really want is cleaner attribution. In this episode, I argue that those are two different jobs. Attribution tends to reward the channel that captured demand once the buyer was already in motion. SparkToro's latest research proves that influence happens everywhere. So what we really need is better measurement — to help us understand lift: are more people searching for you, remembering you, mentioning you, and showing up ready to buy? If you confuse the two, you’ll keep overvaluing what’s easiest to credit and underestimating what actually drives demand. Timestamps: 00:00 The real problem: buyers are influenced before the click 01:41 Attribution vs. measurement: two different jobs 04:33 Stop giving the wrong channels all the credit... 05:10 ...because influence happens everywhere! 08:05 Why measurement needs to get broader and simpler 09:30 Why we (accidentally?) end up starving our demand creation channels 10:47 Measurement needs to grow up. 11:24 Next week: influencing the public record Learn more: zeroclickmarketing.co Connect with Amanda Natividad (@amandanat): LinkedIn | Substack | Instagram | Threads This episode was produced in partnership with Share Your Genius www.shareyourgenius.com","meta_description":"A lot of marketers say they want better measurement. Usually, what they really want is cleaner attribution. In this episode, I argue that those are two di…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":717,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/zero-click-marketing-7753148/episodes/why-better-attribution-won-t-fix-your-measurement-problem/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/zero-click-marketing-7753148/why-better-attribution-won-t-fix-your-measurement-problem.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}