{"podcast":{"title":"You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist","slug":"you-must-be-some-kind-of-therapist-5142473","podcast_index_feed_id":5142473,"rss_url":"https://feeds.transistor.fm/you-must-be-some-kind-of-therapist","website_url":"https://www.sometherapist.com","image_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/kKSwO8C4wLrjRyUIWjlyIr2zfV-lqxogMZ4PRqp_ams/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:1400/h:1400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9zaG93/LzI1NzQ0LzE2NDQy/NzA3NjktYXJ0d29y/ay5qcGc.jpg","author":"Stephanie Winn","episode_count":221,"summary":"A podcast at the intersection of psychology and culture that intimately explores the human experience and critiques the counseling profession. Your host, Stephanie Winn, distills wisdom gained from her practice as a family therapist and coach while pivoting towards questions of how to apply a practical understanding of psychology to the novel dilemmas of the 21st century, from political polarization to medical malpractice. What does ethical mental health care look like in a normless age, as our moral compasses spin in search of true north? How can therapists treat patients under pressure to affirm everything from the notion of \"gender identity\" to assisted suicide? Primarily a long-form interview podcast, Stephanie invites unorthodox, free-thinking guests from many walks of life, including counselors, social workers, medical professionals, writers, researchers, and people with unique lived experience, such as detransitioners. Curious about many things, Stephanie’s interdisciplinary psychological lens investigates challenging social issues and inspires transformation in the self, relationships, and society. She is known for bringing calm warmth to painful subjects, and astute perce…","last_synced_at":"2026-07-20T16:18:10.386697+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/you-must-be-some-kind-of-therapist-5142473"},"episode":{"title":"203. Rumination vs. Healthy Introspection: The Case for Moral Formation in Therapy with Dean Abbott","slug":"203-rumination-vs-healthy-introspection-the-case-for-moral-formation-in-therapy-with-dean-abbott","published_at":"2026-03-02T09:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/you-must-be-some-kind-of-therapist-5142473/203-rumination-vs-healthy-introspection-the-case-for-moral-formation-in-therapy-with-dean-abbott","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/you-must-be-some-kind-of-therapist-5142473","url":"https://share.transistor.fm/s/ad19c700","audio_url":"https://pdcn.co/e/media.transistor.fm/ad19c700/7fdfa2ca.mp3","summary":"Chaplain, coach, and author Dean Abbott joins me for a thought-provoking conversation about the difference between healthy introspection and unhealthy rumination. Dean challenges a popular argument that therapy simply encourages people to think about themselves too much, making the case instead that people don't ruminate for fun — they ruminate because they're in pain and searching for something they've lost. Together we explore what makes self-examination productive versus destructive, and Dean introduces a framework rooted in the Christian tradition that contrasts nihilistic rumination — where a person endlessly rehearses their pain with no resolution — with a more structured self-examination oriented toward growth, virtue, and wisdom. I get personal and share my own recent struggles with loneliness and the tension between being a generous host and not getting that energy back when I need it most. Dean walks me through what healthy self-examination would look like in that situation, pointing to the importance of recognizing our legitimate needs and having the courage and honesty to express them. We also dive into the lost concept of human formation, the role of moral education in therapy, why thousands of years of wisdom literature shouldn't be abandoned in the counseling room, and the difference between development and formation. This is a rich, honest, and deeply human conversation. Dean Abbott is a coach, chaplain and author living in the Midwest. He loves animals, music and baseball. His can be found at www.deanabbott.com . His X account which has been hacked is @deanabbott but he doesn't recommend following him until the situation is resolved. 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