{"podcast":{"title":"You Might Try This","slug":"you-might-try-this-7688437","podcast_index_feed_id":7688437,"rss_url":"https://feeds.captivate.fm/you-might-try-this/","website_url":"https://youmighttrythis.com","image_url":"https://artwork.captivate.fm/72b59b77-59e3-461d-a87b-fc09cd8d1e47/You-might-try-this.jpg","author":"Stacey Philpot and Cade Cowan","episode_count":22,"summary":"Leadership is complicated, especially when you’re figuring it out in real time. You Might Try This is a weekly podcast for people who want to lead well without , burning out, selling out, or pretending they have it all figured out. Hosted by executive coaches Stacey Philpot and Cade Cowan, the show brings decades of experience working with leaders at global brands like Nike, Google, Walmart, and Microsoft into honest, practical conversations about what leadership really looks like day to day. Each episode explores the messy, human side of work, from managing your first team and navigating power dynamics to building confidence, handling conflict, and staying grounded in high-pressure environments. Through real stories, proven frameworks, and thoughtful coaching, Stacey and Cade offer tools you can actually use, not just theories that sound good on paper. If you’re ambitious, thoughtful, and trying to grow your career while staying true to yourself, this show is for you. New episodes drop weekly. Listen wherever you get your podcasts and join the conversation on Instagram @YouMightTryThis.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-27T22:17:08.478219+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/you-might-try-this-7688437"},"episode":{"title":"The Logic Illusion: Why facts and ROI fail to win real commitment","slug":"the-logic-illusion-why-facts-and-roi-fail-to-win-real-commitment","published_at":"2026-03-23T11:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/you-might-try-this-7688437/the-logic-illusion-why-facts-and-roi-fail-to-win-real-commitment","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/you-might-try-this-7688437","url":"https://youmighttrythis.com/episode/the-logic-illusion-why-facts-and-roi-fail-to-win-real-commitment","audio_url":"https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/32b23f77-06e4-48b0-999a-40fe26eceb76.mp3","summary":"In this episode, Cade Cowan and Stacey Philpot talk about what influence really means in leadership and why it often matters more than having a title. They explore the idea of leading beyond your role and how real influence comes from how you relate to people, not the authority you’re given. Stacey breaks down the difference between “pushing” influence versus “pulling” it, sharing why influence works best when you focus on understanding what others care about instead of trying to persuade or control them. They also touch on common assumptions we make at work, like jumping to conclusions about people’s intentions, and how those habits can quietly undermine communication. Takeaways: Lead the way you wish leadership showed up for you, not just the way it’s modeled around you. When you push, you might get compliance, but not real buy-in. Influence grows when you understand people’s goals, concerns, and circumstances. Most people are looking for fairness and a sense of give-and-take. Leading with grace can strengthen trust and working relationships. How well you listen directly affects how much influence you have. Good communication creates value instead of friction. Chapters 00:00 introduction 01:39 Leading without authority: influence vs persuasion 06:10 The fundamental attribution error and workplace misunderstandings 11:20 Push vs pull communication: why curiosity works better 15:00 Understanding people: purposes, concerns, and circumstances 20:40 Power dynamics at work: role, expertise, and relationships 31:45 What to try: practical influence strategies that work To learn more about us and the podcast, visit youmighttrythis.com and check us out on social media @youmighttrythis #leadership #communication #persuasion","meta_description":"In this episode, Cade Cowan and Stacey Philpot talk about what influence really means in leadership and why it often matters more than having a title. The…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2127,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/you-might-try-this-7688437/episodes/the-logic-illusion-why-facts-and-roi-fail-to-win-real-commitment/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/you-might-try-this-7688437/the-logic-illusion-why-facts-and-roi-fail-to-win-real-commitment.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}