{"podcast":{"title":"You Can Be Both","slug":"you-can-be-both-7576307","podcast_index_feed_id":7576307,"rss_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/10b47a908/podcast/rss","website_url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/you-can-be-both","image_url":"https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo/44742130/44742130-1762547217244-a90f5ddea203c.jpg","author":"Lauren Lanzaretta","episode_count":36,"summary":"You Can Be Both is hosted by singer/songwriter Lauren Lanzaretta, who shares honest conversations about being both gay and Christian—two identities often seen as incompatible. The podcast creates space for LGBTQ+ people of faith to find healing, community, and a deeper connection with Christ while fully embracing who they are. As a first step to your healing journey, I recommend the “LGBTQ+ Healing & Resource Guide” - go to www.youcanbeboth.com for this and other resources. Join the You Can Be Both Community App https://youcanbeboth.mn.co/plans/1984569?bundle_token=a02f1c1a95e905aa187210545","last_synced_at":"2026-07-05T14:19:26.748663+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/you-can-be-both-7576307"},"episode":{"title":"\"Testify to Love\" Singer Michael Passons: Kicked Out For Being Gay, Now Topping Christian Charts","slug":"testify-to-love-singer-michael-passons-kicked-out-for-being-gay-now-topping-christian-charts","published_at":"2026-05-31T15:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/you-can-be-both-7576307/testify-to-love-singer-michael-passons-kicked-out-for-being-gay-now-topping-christian-charts","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/you-can-be-both-7576307","url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/you-can-be-both/episodes/Testify-to-Love-Singer-Michael-Passons-Kicked-Out-For-Being-Gay--Now-Topping-Christian-Charts-e3k3f1b","audio_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/10b47a908/podcast/play/120748523/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-4-30%2F425190635-44100-2-74bc7bb8af247.mp3","summary":"Michael Passons was a founding member of Avalon, one of the biggest Christian music groups of all time. He wrote and performed "Testify to Love," a song that became an icon of Christian music. But when he came out as gay, he was forced out of the band and lost everything. Now, Michael is rewriting his story — and breaking records doing it. He just rereleased "Testify to Love" as an LGBTQ+ affirming anthem with country artist Ty Herndon, and together they became the first openly gay artists to reach #1 on the iTunes Christian charts. In this episode of You Can Be Both, Michael sits down with host Lauren Lanzaretta to share his full journey: Growing up in rural Mississippi. His dream of becoming a Christian music artist. What it felt like to be kicked out of Avalon for being gay. His spiritual deconstruction and finding faith again on his own terms. And what it means to finally sing authentically. This is a powerful conversation about survival, resilience, and reclaiming your voice. IN THIS EPISODE WE TALK ABOUT: Michael's journey as a founding member of Avalon and writing the iconic "Testify to Love" Growing up in rural Mississippi in a conservative Baptist church Realizing he was gay and the internal struggle that followed Being forced out of Avalon for coming out His spiritual deconstruction and stepping away from organized religion Finding his way back to faith and spirituality on his own terms Rereleasing "Testify to Love" as an LGBTQ+ affirming anthem with Ty Herndon Making history as the first openly gay artists to reach #1 on iTunes Christian charts What it means to sing and live authentically His message to LGBTQ+ people still in the closet Advice for worship leaders who've been kicked out of church The power of reclaiming…","meta_description":"Michael Passons was a founding member of Avalon, one of the biggest Christian music groups of all time. He wrote and performed \"Testify to Love,\"…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3193,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/you-can-be-both-7576307/episodes/testify-to-love-singer-michael-passons-kicked-out-for-being-gay-now-topping-christian-charts/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/you-can-be-both-7576307/testify-to-love-singer-michael-passons-kicked-out-for-being-gay-now-topping-christian-charts.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}