{"podcast":{"title":"When Will They Learn?","slug":"when-will-they-learn-7689880","podcast_index_feed_id":7689880,"rss_url":"https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/7073612.rss","website_url":"https://whenwilltheylearn.substack.com/podcast","image_url":"https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/7073612/a76f0f10cebcbca255700cb2087ddd1b.jpg","author":"Hosted by Greg Ashman and Caiti Wade","episode_count":12,"summary":"Hosted by Greg Ashman and Caiti Wade, ‘When Will They Learn?’ explores what’s trending in the world of education, examining this through a science of learning lens.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-10T08:20:01.473389+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/when-will-they-learn-7689880"},"episode":{"title":"Episode #12 Ooh, gossip!","slug":"episode-12-ooh-gossip","published_at":"2026-07-09T19:30:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/when-will-they-learn-7689880/episode-12-ooh-gossip","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/when-will-they-learn-7689880","url":"https://whenwilltheylearn.substack.com/p/episode-12-ooh-gossip","audio_url":"https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/206260231/e859d6086e00f62020899560beb1ef63.mp3","summary":"This week, we’re talking education gossip - not the staffroom kind, but the stories that dominate headlines and social media before anyone has had time to think them through. We start by discussing the debate surrounding school suspensions, isolation, and behaviour management, following on from last episode’s conversation. Along the way, we explore how schools are portrayed in the media and how public narratives can shape perceptions of education. From there, we turn our attention to science education in Australasia before the conversation inevitably drifts into internet arguments, education social media, and why online debates seem so determined to turn every issue into a binary. Finally, we wrap up with a discussion about working-class students in the UK, using a recent news story to reflect on disadvantage, opportunity, and the stories we choose to tell about education. Have something you want us to discuss in a future episode? Or want to find us? Get in touch on any of our socials below! We get a lot of listener requests, but will try to cover as many of your suggestions as possible. Greg Ashman Greg is a school leader at Ballarat Clarendon College and holds a PhD in instructional design from UNSW. Substack – Filling the Pail LinkedIn – Greg Ashman X/Twitter – @greg_ashman If you’re interested in working with Greg at Ballarat Clarendon College, please see here for open roles and expressions of interest . Caiti Wade Caiti is a leader of pedagogy at a boys’ secondary school in Brisbane, education consultant and is doing her doctorate in cognitive science. Substack – The Disruptive Educator LinkedIn – Caiti Wade X/Twitter – @caiti_wade Episode resources * Isolation as a form of discipline: how should schools manage poor student behaviour? * No one pedagogy is best: sc…","meta_description":"This week, we’re talking education gossip - not the staffroom kind, but the stories that dominate headlines and social media before anyone has had time to…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3833,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/when-will-they-learn-7689880/episodes/episode-12-ooh-gossip/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/when-will-they-learn-7689880/episode-12-ooh-gossip.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}