{"podcast":{"title":"VoxTalks Economics","slug":"voxtalks-economics-504930","podcast_index_feed_id":504930,"rss_url":"https://audioboom.com/channels/4966228.rss","website_url":"https://audioboom.com/channels/4966228","image_url":"https://audioboom.com/i/38349944.png","author":"VoxTalks","episode_count":471,"summary":"Learn about groundbreaking new research, commentary and policy ideas from the world's leading economists. Presented by Tim Phillips.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-29T20:21:07.540325+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/voxtalks-economics-504930"},"episode":{"title":"S9 Ep43: Navigating industrial policy","slug":"s9-ep43-navigating-industrial-policy","published_at":"2026-07-24T10:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/voxtalks-economics-504930/s9-ep43-navigating-industrial-policy","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/voxtalks-economics-504930","url":"https://audioboom.com/posts/8931948","audio_url":"https://audioboom.com/posts/8931948.mp3?modified=1784876942&sid=4966228&source=rss","summary":"Recorded at the PSE-CEPR Policy Forum, Paris. In 2019 the IMF called the increasing adoption of industrial policy: \"The return of the policy that shall not be named\". No one is scared to name it in 2026. Governments in rich and poor economies alike are intervening to change what their countries produce, and the pace has picked up sharply. Zsóka Kóczán (EBRD) was one of the leads on the Transition Report 2024-25, which draws on a database of more than 31,000 industrial policies in 150 economies. She talks to Tim Phillips about who is using these policies, and the mistakes that happen when they aren't managed well. They multiply before elections, they discriminate against foreign interests, many are firm-specific - and until recently few had an end date, whether they worked or not. Picking winners is hard. Letting go of losers is even harder, she warns. The research behind this episode: EBRD. 2024. \"Transition Report 2024-25: Navigating Industrial Policy.\" London: European Bank for Reconstruction and Development. The digital edition, with country assessments and interactive charts, is at 2024.tr-ebrd.com . To cite this episode: Phillips, Tim, and Zsoka Koczan. 2026. \"Navigating industrial policy.\" VoxTalks Economics (podcast). About the guest Zsoka Koczan is Associate Director and Lead Economist in the Office of the Chief Economist at the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, where she works on the Transition Report, edits the Regional Economic Prospects and runs the Life in Transition Survey. Before joining the EBRD she was an economist at the International Monetary Fund. She holds a PhD in economics from the University of Cambridge, and her research spans income disparities within countries, migration and inequality. Research cited in this episode Moving th…","meta_description":"Recorded at the PSE-CEPR Policy Forum, Paris. In 2019 the IMF called the increasing adoption of industrial policy: \"The return of the policy that shall no…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":1283,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/voxtalks-economics-504930/episodes/s9-ep43-navigating-industrial-policy/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/voxtalks-economics-504930/s9-ep43-navigating-industrial-policy.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}