{"podcast":{"title":"Unchained","slug":"unchained-728975","podcast_index_feed_id":728975,"rss_url":"https://feeds.megaphone.fm/LSHML4761942757","website_url":"https://unchainedcrypto.com","image_url":"https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/b7bf264e-3874-11ed-a2fe-a3feab4203a7/image/f4aec706c3b7929f0528616e7f643eda.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress","author":"Laura Shin","episode_count":1228,"summary":"Crypto assets and blockchain technology are about to transform every trust-based interaction of our lives, from financial services to identity to the Internet of Things. In this podcast, host Laura Shin, an independent journalist covering all things crypto, talks with industry pioneers about how crypto assets and blockchains will change the way we earn, spend and invest our money. Tune in to find out how Web 3.0, the decentralized web, will revolutionize our world.","last_synced_at":"2026-08-01T22:19:50.638328+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/unchained-728975"},"episode":{"title":"Why Fable's Shutdown Is a Warning for Every AI Lab: Uneasy Money","slug":"why-fable-s-shutdown-is-a-warning-for-every-ai-lab-uneasy-money","published_at":"2026-06-19T03:26:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/unchained-728975/why-fable-s-shutdown-is-a-warning-for-every-ai-lab-uneasy-money","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/unchained-728975","url":"https://pdrl.fm/98e0b1/traffic.megaphone.fm/LSHML6570117836.mp3","audio_url":"https://pdrl.fm/98e0b1/traffic.megaphone.fm/LSHML6570117836.mp3","summary":"The government export-controlled Anthropic's best model. Kain, Luca, and Taylor debate whether Dario talked his way into it and what the shutdown means for every AI lab. ======================================================== Thank you to our sponsors! ⁠⁠Multichain Advisors⁠⁠: Get help navigating TGEs, go‑to‑market, BD and partnerships, capital markets advisory, PR, media placements, KOL activations and more at https://multichainadv.com. ======================================================== A reported jailbreak of Anthropic's most powerful model, Fable, triggered US government export controls, and the Uneasy Money hosts argue Dario Amodei's response on the call with the administration made it inevitable. Kain, Taylor, and Luca dig into what Dario got wrong, why a company about to go public had no one in Washington who could speak the government's language, and what it means that the shutdown drew no public backlash. Porter Stowell, CEO of W3.io and a Coinbase alum, joins for the first half with his read on the exchange's big announcement day: agentic payments on Base, tokenized stocks, and a ground-up trading rebuild. Midway through, Luca drops something unannounced: Igloo has built a financial instrument to list crypto tokens directly on the NYSE as securities, with protocol revenue flowing back to holders. The episode closes on Strategy, and why Kain thinks selling 32 Bitcoin, then buying back 1,587 two weeks later, exposes the structural risk of a belief-based asset with one dominant buyer. Hosts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Kain Warwick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Founder of Infinex and Synthetix ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Taylor Monahan⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Security Expert ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Luca Netz⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, CEO of Pudgy Penguins Guest:…","meta_description":"The government export-controlled Anthropic's best model. Kain, Luca, and Taylor debate whether Dario talked his way into it and what the shutdown means fo…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":4450,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/unchained-728975/episodes/why-fable-s-shutdown-is-a-warning-for-every-ai-lab-uneasy-money/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/unchained-728975/why-fable-s-shutdown-is-a-warning-for-every-ai-lab-uneasy-money.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}