{"podcast":{"title":"Unchained","slug":"unchained-5662698","podcast_index_feed_id":5662698,"rss_url":"https://feeds.libsyn.com/83245/","website_url":"https://unchainedcrypto.com","image_url":"https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/b7bf264e-3874-11ed-a2fe-a3feab4203a7/image/f4aec706c3b7929f0528616e7f643eda.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress","author":"Laura Shin","episode_count":1228,"summary":"Crypto assets and blockchain technology are about to transform every trust-based interaction of our lives, from financial services to identity to the Internet of Things. In this podcast, host Laura Shin, an independent journalist covering all things crypto, talks with industry pioneers about how crypto assets and blockchains will change the way we earn, spend and invest our money. Tune in to find out how Web 3.0, the decentralized web, will revolutionize our world.","last_synced_at":"2026-08-01T22:19:58.729256+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/unchained-5662698"},"episode":{"title":"Why Pre-IPO Perps Like SpaceX on Hyperliquid Are Seeing an Upswing","slug":"why-pre-ipo-perps-like-spacex-on-hyperliquid-are-seeing-an-upswing","published_at":"2026-05-21T18:31:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/unchained-5662698/why-pre-ipo-perps-like-spacex-on-hyperliquid-are-seeing-an-upswing","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/unchained-5662698","url":"https://pdrl.fm/98e0b1/traffic.megaphone.fm/LSHML3733873363.mp3","audio_url":"https://pdrl.fm/98e0b1/traffic.megaphone.fm/LSHML3733873363.mp3","summary":"Pre-IPO trading is hot ahead of three big IPOs. Perp volume on Hyperliquid went from $3M to $44M in three months, and SpaceX perps is just the beginning, says Dio Casares of Patagon. ======================================================== Thank you to our sponsor! ⁠⁠⁠⁠Coinbase One⁠⁠⁠⁠: Get 20% off the first year of your Coinbase One annual plan at ⁠⁠⁠⁠coinbase.com/unchained⁠⁠⁠⁠. ======================================================== Pre-IPO perp volume on Hyperliquid grew from $3 million to $44 million in roughly three months. Anthropic and OpenAI voided secondary shares, sending shockwaves through the pre-IPO marketes. Robinhood launched trust-style tokenized offerings into a gray area. And three trillion-dollar IPOs — SpaceX, Anthropic, and OpenAI — are converging in the same window. Dio Casares, founder and CEO of Patagon, a private neobank that has facilitated deals in Anthropic, xAI, Circle, and Kraken, explains the structural difference between derivatives and tokenized spot, why second and third-layer SPV waterfalls are legal hot potato, who actually holds the cleanest title, and where the competition for private market liquidity goes next. Host: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Laura Shin⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Host / Unchained Guests: ⁠Dio Casares - Founder & CEO, Patagon Timestamps 🚀 00:45 Why are we seeing so much pre-IPO activity bubble up right now 🗂️ 02:45 The types of market activity that are happening pre-IPO and why they’re happening 💙 6:04 Coinbase: Get 20% off the first year of your Coinbase One annual plan at coinbase.com/unchained ⛓️ 07:52 The kinds of problems that buyers and sellers of pre-IPO shares are trying to solve by going onchain ⚖️ 11:15 How unicorns have wanted to be private but have their shares 📊 13:19 Why people aren’t just waiting till pre-IPO share perps go…","meta_description":"Pre-IPO trading is hot ahead of three big IPOs. Perp volume on Hyperliquid went from $3M to $44M in three months, and SpaceX perps is just the beginning,…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2014,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/unchained-5662698/episodes/why-pre-ipo-perps-like-spacex-on-hyperliquid-are-seeing-an-upswing/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/unchained-5662698/why-pre-ipo-perps-like-spacex-on-hyperliquid-are-seeing-an-upswing.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}