{"podcast":{"title":"Unchained","slug":"unchained-5662698","podcast_index_feed_id":5662698,"rss_url":"https://feeds.libsyn.com/83245/","website_url":"https://unchainedcrypto.com","image_url":"https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/b7bf264e-3874-11ed-a2fe-a3feab4203a7/image/f4aec706c3b7929f0528616e7f643eda.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress","author":"Laura Shin","episode_count":1228,"summary":"Crypto assets and blockchain technology are about to transform every trust-based interaction of our lives, from financial services to identity to the Internet of Things. In this podcast, host Laura Shin, an independent journalist covering all things crypto, talks with industry pioneers about how crypto assets and blockchains will change the way we earn, spend and invest our money. Tune in to find out how Web 3.0, the decentralized web, will revolutionize our world.","last_synced_at":"2026-08-01T22:19:58.729256+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/unchained-5662698"},"episode":{"title":"Why CLOs Are Suddenly DeFi's Hottest Yield Play","slug":"why-clos-are-suddenly-defi-s-hottest-yield-play","published_at":"2026-07-10T19:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/unchained-5662698/why-clos-are-suddenly-defi-s-hottest-yield-play","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/unchained-5662698","url":"https://pdrl.fm/98e0b1/traffic.megaphone.fm/LSHML2418814637.mp3","audio_url":"https://pdrl.fm/98e0b1/traffic.megaphone.fm/LSHML2418814637.mp3","summary":"Niklas Kunkel maps where the RWA market is heading next, from Centrifuge and Apollo's CLOs to Galaxy's first tokenized credit product, then turns to a cautionary tale: some SpaceX pre-IPO token buyers never actually owned the shares they thought they had. Host: Steven Ehrlich - Host of Bits + Bips and Head of Research at Sharplink Guest: Niklas Kunkel - Founder and CEO of Chronicle Labs This clip is from a longer conversation on crypto oracles, tokenized real-world assets, and Chronicle Labs' work verifying them. Full episode here: https://youtu.be/HW9Cu_E8DnU  We go live every week - subscribe to catch it live. Cape: Your biggest crypto vulnerability isn't your wallet, it's your phone number. Cape is America's privacy-first mobile carrier that rotates your SIM identity daily and blocks SIM swaps before they happen. Get 33% off your first six months at https://cape.co/unchained (use code: UNCHAINED). Chapters 🌍 00:00 Where the RWA market goes next, from the man building its plumbing: Niklas Kunkel 💰 00:44 The yield trade heating up: why CLOs like Centrifuge's JAAA and Apollo's Acred are suddenly everywhere 🌌 01:14 Galaxy's first tokenized CLO, and why it's a far bigger deal than it looks 🔍 01:56 Trust no one: how Chronicle checks Galaxy's loan book against its own custodian 🔁 03:04 The looping trick that turns a 7% CLO yield into 14% or 21%, and the risk hiding inside it 🏢 03:27 What's coming next: tokenized REITs and equities 🚀 05:28 The SpaceX pre-IPO token question Niklas keeps getting asked 📉 06:06 The catch nobody mentioned: why SpaceX token buyers never actually owned their shares Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices","meta_description":"Niklas Kunkel maps where the RWA market is heading next, from Centrifuge and Apollo's CLOs to Galaxy's first tokenized credit product, then turns to a cau…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":469,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/unchained-5662698/episodes/why-clos-are-suddenly-defi-s-hottest-yield-play/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/unchained-5662698/why-clos-are-suddenly-defi-s-hottest-yield-play.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}