{"podcast":{"title":"Unchained","slug":"unchained-5662698","podcast_index_feed_id":5662698,"rss_url":"https://feeds.libsyn.com/83245/","website_url":"https://unchainedcrypto.com","image_url":"https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/b7bf264e-3874-11ed-a2fe-a3feab4203a7/image/f4aec706c3b7929f0528616e7f643eda.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress","author":"Laura Shin","episode_count":1228,"summary":"Crypto assets and blockchain technology are about to transform every trust-based interaction of our lives, from financial services to identity to the Internet of Things. In this podcast, host Laura Shin, an independent journalist covering all things crypto, talks with industry pioneers about how crypto assets and blockchains will change the way we earn, spend and invest our money. Tune in to find out how Web 3.0, the decentralized web, will revolutionize our world.","last_synced_at":"2026-08-01T22:19:58.729256+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/unchained-5662698"},"episode":{"title":"How Digital Credit Assets like STRC and SATA Differ from Bitcoin or DAT Stocks","slug":"how-digital-credit-assets-like-strc-and-sata-differ-from-bitcoin-or-dat-stocks","published_at":"2026-06-23T18:22:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/unchained-5662698/how-digital-credit-assets-like-strc-and-sata-differ-from-bitcoin-or-dat-stocks","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/unchained-5662698","url":"https://pdrl.fm/98e0b1/traffic.megaphone.fm/LSHML8519055195.mp3","audio_url":"https://pdrl.fm/98e0b1/traffic.megaphone.fm/LSHML8519055195.mp3","summary":"Was Michael Saylor wrong to sell Bitcoin? Matt Cole breaks from his fellow critics on Strategy, S&P's junk rating on MSTR, and whether the model is breaking. ======================================================== Thank you to our sponsor! ⁠⁠⁠⁠Fidelity⁠⁠⁠⁠: Fidelity has been building in crypto and DeFi since 2014 — now they're hiring. Explore career opportunities at one of the most forward-thinking names in finance here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠crypto.fidelitycareers.com⁠⁠⁠⁠. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Cape⁠⁠⁠⁠: Your biggest crypto vulnerability isn't your wallet, it's your phone number. Cape is America's privacy-first mobile carrier that rotates your SIM identity daily and blocks SIM swaps before they happen. Get 33% off your first six months at cape.co/unchained (use code: UNCHAINED). ======================================================== Strive's Matt Cole had just lived through what he called the most difficult day in the history of digital credit when he sat down to defend it. STRC had touched $82.50, SATA had slipped into the low nineties, and the Bitcoin treasury trade was suddenly the most argued-over corner of crypto. Cole came from a pension background and built Strive into one of the largest Bitcoin treasury companies around a single conviction: that structured credit can solve an income problem fiat can't. The critics, he argues, can't even agree with each other on what is actually wrong. Was last week a leverage liquidation or a crack in the model? Did Michael Saylor quietly change his story? And is wrapping Bitcoin in preferred stock a betrayal of its ethos or the bridge most people actually need? Laura Shin pressed on all of it. Host: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Laura Shin⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Host / Unchained Guests: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Matt Cole - Chairman and CEO of Strive Timestamps 🎙️ 02:07 Wha…","meta_description":"Was Michael Saylor wrong to sell Bitcoin? Matt Cole breaks from his fellow critics on Strategy, S&P's junk rating on MSTR, and whether the model is br…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3377,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/unchained-5662698/episodes/how-digital-credit-assets-like-strc-and-sata-differ-from-bitcoin-or-dat-stocks/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/unchained-5662698/how-digital-credit-assets-like-strc-and-sata-differ-from-bitcoin-or-dat-stocks.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}