{"podcast":{"title":"Uncertain Things","slug":"uncertain-things-1365822","podcast_index_feed_id":1365822,"rss_url":"https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/55152.rss","website_url":"https://uncertain.substack.com/podcast","image_url":"https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/55152/d5aa3021bd2e0c5c8c26c93af46f588a.jpg","author":"Uncertain Things","episode_count":115,"summary":"Everything is broken. Now what?","last_synced_at":"2026-07-01T06:18:18.631352+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/uncertain-things-1365822"},"episode":{"title":"Anti-Zionism, Explained (w/ Adam Louis-Klein)","slug":"anti-zionism-explained-w-adam-louis-klein","published_at":"2025-11-12T18:45:34+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/uncertain-things-1365822/anti-zionism-explained-w-adam-louis-klein","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/uncertain-things-1365822","url":"https://uncertain.substack.com/p/anti-zionism-adam-louis-klein","audio_url":"https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/178305565/81b045e759bc7434eee8da17a0320400.mp3","summary":"Anthropologist Adam Louis-Klein was in the Amazon on October 9th, when he went online and learned what had happened two days previously. Almost immediately, he also discovered something else: his left-wing colleagues in the academy were ready to ostracize him for his “ filthy Zionist ” views. Since then, Louis-Klein has turned his analytical eye toward anti-Zionism. In this conversation, he explains the ideology’s history and how it continues to perpetuate itself through cycles of libel . He also breaks down the other greatest hits of left-wing academic jargon — settler-colonialism, genocide, occupation, etc. — along the way. And we all try to break ourselves out of the language games that prevent us from having a real conversation about what’s happening, and not, in Gaza. On the agenda: -On Zohran Mamdani [00:00-12:40] -Libel cycles post-October 7th [12:41-29:12] -Defining terms: Zionism, Anti-Zionism, and more [29:13-57:00] -The left’s alliances [57:01-1:10:42] -On victimhood, violence, and self-reliance [1:10:43-1:27:36] -The reader’s/viewer’s responsibility [1:27:37-1:42:41] -Expanding the concept of genocide [1:42:42-2:01:31] -The future of Anti-Zionism [2:01:32-2:09:37] Mentioned in this episode: * When is it Genocide? — The Ezra Klein Show * Editors’ Note: July 30, 2025 — The New York Times * Editors’ Note: Gaza Hospital Coverage — The New York Times * How the World Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Butchery of Jews (w/ Eli Lake) — Uncertain Things * The Apocalypse We Deserve (w/ Niall Ferguson) — Uncertain Things * Don’t Blame Israel on the Jews (w/ Walter Russell Mead) — Uncertain Things * Hooked on Dead Jews (w/ Dara Horn) — Uncertain Things * Zionism and the Refugee Machine (w/ Dr. Einat Wilf) — Uncertain Things Uncertain Things is hosted and produced by…","meta_description":"Anthropologist Adam Louis-Klein was in the Amazon on October 9th, when he went online and learned what had happened two days previously. Almost immediatel…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":7798,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/uncertain-things-1365822/episodes/anti-zionism-explained-w-adam-louis-klein/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/uncertain-things-1365822/anti-zionism-explained-w-adam-louis-klein.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}