{"podcast":{"title":"The TWIML AI Podcast (formerly This Week in Machine Learning & Artificial Intelligence)","slug":"twiml-ai-podcast","podcast_index_feed_id":1045879,"rss_url":"https://feeds.megaphone.fm/MLN2155636147","website_url":"https://twimlai.com","image_url":"https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/35230150-ee98-11eb-ad1a-b38cbabcd053/image/TWIML_AI_Podcast_Official_Cover_Art_1400px.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress","author":"TWIML","episode_count":785,"summary":"Machine learning and artificial intelligence are dramatically changing the way businesses operate and people live. The TWIML AI Podcast brings the top minds and ideas from the world of ML and AI to a broad and influential community of ML/AI researchers, data scientists, engineers and tech-savvy business and IT leaders. Hosted by Sam Charrington, a sought after industry analyst, speaker, commentator and thought leader. 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