{"podcast":{"title":"The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch","slug":"twenty-minute-vc","podcast_index_feed_id":938150,"rss_url":"https://thetwentyminutevc.libsyn.com/rss","website_url":"http://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/","image_url":"https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/d/2/b/a/d2ba673c1d134c2be55e3c100dce7605/WhatsApp_Image_2024-10-28_at_11.39.21.jpeg","author":"The Twenty Minute VC","episode_count":1490,"summary":"The Twenty Minute VC (20VC) interviews the world's greatest venture capitalists with prior guests including Sequoia's Doug Leone and Benchmark's Bill Gurley. Once per week, 20VC Host, Harry Stebbings is also joined by one of the great founders of our time with prior founder episodes from Spotify's Daniel Ek, Linkedin's Reid Hoffman, and Snowflake's Frank Slootman. 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