{"podcast":{"title":"The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch","slug":"twenty-minute-vc","podcast_index_feed_id":938150,"rss_url":"https://thetwentyminutevc.libsyn.com/rss","website_url":"http://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/","image_url":"https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/d/2/b/a/d2ba673c1d134c2be55e3c100dce7605/WhatsApp_Image_2024-10-28_at_11.39.21.jpeg","author":"The Twenty Minute VC","episode_count":1490,"summary":"The Twenty Minute VC (20VC) interviews the world's greatest venture capitalists with prior guests including Sequoia's Doug Leone and Benchmark's Bill Gurley. Once per week, 20VC Host, Harry Stebbings is also joined by one of the great founders of our time with prior founder episodes from Spotify's Daniel Ek, Linkedin's Reid Hoffman, and Snowflake's Frank Slootman. 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Mercor revenue is not real revenue and is only GMV? 12:56 Would Brendan sell Mercor for $30 billion? 14:23 Why everyone is wrong that AI will lead to labor displacement? 15:59 We will create many new jobs that do not exist with AI. 16:59 Why training agents will be a massive labor category that does not exist today 19:51 Will we see the data provider market unbundle and specialize into verticals? 22:24 Is the stated revenue really revenue or is it really GMV? 27:55 How a 1 million ARR company secured one of the best investors in the world with a helicopter ride 29:41 How Felicis secured the deal of the decade with a race track and a set of Ferraris 32:59 Which investment round felt like the highest price to grow into? 34:49 Why will value accrue to the infrastructure layer, not the application layer, in the next 12 months? 35:46 Why the model is the product and why application layer companies should be scared as a result 37:22 Why network effects will be the determinant of value creation 38:46 Why the forward-deployed motion, not the GTM motion, will determine true value creation. 41:59 Why token spend within organizations is going to continue to increase 43:54 Why agent evaluation to commoditize the model layer will be a massive business for enterprises? 51:13 Why we should have increased capital gains tax 01:01:31 How to compete with $20 million a year from Meta? 01:08:49 Will Mercor go public and…","meta_description":"Brendan Foody is the Founder and CEO @ Mercor, one of the leading data providers to the largest labs on the planet including OpenAI. 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