{"podcast":{"title":"Threat Talks - Your Gateway to Cybersecurity Insights","slug":"threat-talks-your-gateway-to-cybersecurity-insights-6755159","podcast_index_feed_id":6755159,"rss_url":"https://feeds.transistor.fm/threat-talks-your-gateway-to-cybersecurity-insights","website_url":"https://threat-talks.com/","image_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/wqPeh6mA2wCORVwUDSv8RSIWcuUMzTZP0kjjqamexmc/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:1400/h:1400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS8xN2Q1/NGE1NjBhYWY0ZmY5/NzEyODA5OGU3NDdi/MmNmYi5qcGc.jpg","author":"Threat Talks","episode_count":126,"summary":"Threat Talks is your cybersecurity knowledge hub. Unpack the latest threats and explore industry trends with top experts as they break down the complexities of cyber threats. We make complex cybersecurity topics accessible and engaging for everyone, from IT professionals to every day internet users by providing in-depth and first-hand experiences from leading cybersecurity professionals. Join us for monthly deep dives into the dynamic world of cybersecurity, so you can stay informed, and stay secure!","last_synced_at":"2026-06-09T18:17:54.349616+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/threat-talks-your-gateway-to-cybersecurity-insights-6755159"},"episode":{"title":"The Agent Problem","slug":"the-agent-problem","published_at":"2026-05-12T08:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/threat-talks-your-gateway-to-cybersecurity-insights-6755159/the-agent-problem","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/threat-talks-your-gateway-to-cybersecurity-insights-6755159","url":"https://threat-talks.com/the-agent-problem/","audio_url":"https://2.gum.fm/op3.dev/e/pdcn.co/e/pscrb.fm/rss/p/pdst.fm/e/dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/media.transistor.fm/d557c9f4/292da40c.mp3","summary":"Your AI agents are users now. They have your permissions. They read your email. They send messages. And they act on instructions that anyone with an internet connection can drop into your inbox. In this episode of Threat Talks, Lieuwe Jan Koning, Co-founder and CTO at ON2IT Cybersecurity, sits down with Jack Cable, CEO and Co-founder of Corridor and former lead of Secure by Design at CISA, to walk through the “lethal triangle” (the three conditions that turn helpful AI into a breach vector) and what CISOs should be doing right now, before the technology runs further ahead of the controls. Timestamps 00:00 – 01:36 Cold Open: The User Inside Your Software 01:36 – 04:23 What Agentic AI Actually Is 04:23 – 07:20 The Lethal Triangle: Three Conditions for a Breach 07:20 – 10:05 Why Prompt Injection Has No Fix Today 10:05 – 14:09 Sanctioning Agents Without “Allow Fatigue” 14:09 – 18:45 OpenClaw: Should Your CISO Authorize It? 18:45 – 21:17 Sandboxing, Sub-Agents, and What to Do Right Now Key Topics Covered The “lethal triangle” – sensitive access, untrusted input, and the ability to take unapproved actions – and why every basic email agent already breaks all three rules Why prompt injection cannot be reliably solved by another LLM, and why deterministic guardrails (sandboxing, allow-lists, human-in-the-loop) are the only durable answer today Why “allow, allow, allow” fatigue makes per-action approvals largely theatrical, and why routing approvals through a separate model is a real, if partial, improvement Why Jack Cable’s CISO answer on OpenClaw and similar general-purpose agents today is short: don’t authorize (and what to deploy in its place)","meta_description":"Your AI agents are users now. They have your permissions. They read your email. They send messages. And they act on instructions that anyone with an inter…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":1287,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/threat-talks-your-gateway-to-cybersecurity-insights-6755159/episodes/the-agent-problem/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/threat-talks-your-gateway-to-cybersecurity-insights-6755159/the-agent-problem.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}