{"podcast":{"title":"This Machine Kills","slug":"this-machine-kills-428599","podcast_index_feed_id":428599,"rss_url":"https://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:861066976/sounds.rss","website_url":"https://soundcloud.com/thismachinekillspod","image_url":"https://i1.sndcdn.com/avatars-9ph1FoDtmpfiZRzy-vEy7cg-original.jpg","author":"This Machine Kills","episode_count":490,"summary":"A podcast about technology and political economy …","last_synced_at":"2026-07-25T22:20:21.756589+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/this-machine-kills-428599"},"episode":{"title":"467. Industrial Policy by Other Means (ft. Matt Haugen, Jesse Goldenstein)","slug":"467-industrial-policy-by-other-means-ft-matt-haugen-jesse-goldenstein","published_at":"2026-07-24T22:56:21+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/this-machine-kills-428599/467-industrial-policy-by-other-means-ft-matt-haugen-jesse-goldenstein","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/this-machine-kills-428599","url":"https://soundcloud.com/thismachinekillspod/467-industrial-policy-by-other","audio_url":"https://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/2367494942-thismachinekillspod-467-industrial-policy-by-other.mp3","summary":"We chat with Matt Haugen and Jesse Goldenstein from the Climate + Community Institute about a new report they co-authored laying out how the US is engaging in industrial policy for AI development in ways that are often indirect, inconsistent, and interpersonal, but ultimately are configured around supporting a specific configuration of (venture) capitalist strategy for intensive, rapid development, all while making political economic choices that prioritize anti-social infrastructure over social well-being and environmental protections. ••• AI First: How the Federal Government is Prioritizing AI Over People and Planet https://stopgreedbuildgreen.climateandcommunity.org/posts/ai-first ••• Honey, We Need To Talk About Venture Socialism https://www.butthistime.com/p/honey-we-need-to-talk-about-venture-5cb Standing Plugs: ••• Order Jathan’s book: https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520398078/the-mechanic-and-the-luddite ••• Subscribe to Ed’s substack: https://substack.com/@thetechbubble ••• Subscribe to TMK on patreon for premium episodes: https://www.patreon.com/thismachinekills Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (bsky.app/profile/jathansadowski.com) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (www.x.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (bsky.app/profile/jebr.bsky.social)","meta_description":"We chat with Matt Haugen and Jesse Goldenstein from the Climate + Community Institute about a new report they co-authored laying out how the US is engagin…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":5116,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/this-machine-kills-428599/episodes/467-industrial-policy-by-other-means-ft-matt-haugen-jesse-goldenstein/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/this-machine-kills-428599/467-industrial-policy-by-other-means-ft-matt-haugen-jesse-goldenstein.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}