{"podcast":{"title":"This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler","slug":"this-is-not-a-drill-with-gavin-esler-4458337","podcast_index_feed_id":4458337,"rss_url":"https://feeds.megaphone.fm/doomsdaywatch","website_url":"https://www.patreon.com/thisisnotadrill","image_url":"https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/02401908-3ccc-11ec-bbb5-1772ce803003/image/3af8572d96101372a0602695e09e147d.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress","author":"Podmasters","episode_count":237,"summary":"Exploring threats to global stability from Ukraine to China to the Middle East with host Gavin Esler – former BBC News presenter, Washington correspondent and host of Newsnight – plus Ukraine-based war reporter Oz Katerji and independent conflict analyst Emma Beals. This Is Not A Drill dives deep into the dangers, corruption, conflicts, disinformation, rivalries and ruthless realpolitik that are making our world ever more dangerous. Support This Is Not A Drill on Patreon from just £3 per month to get each episode early plus bonus material and exclusive merchandise. From Podmasters, the team behind Oh God, What Now?, Paper Cuts and The Bunker.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-30T14:22:10.545142+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/this-is-not-a-drill-with-gavin-esler-4458337"},"episode":{"title":"Inside the NATO conference – A breakdown from Ankara","slug":"inside-the-nato-conference-a-breakdown-from-ankara","published_at":"2026-07-10T04:30:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/this-is-not-a-drill-with-gavin-esler-4458337/inside-the-nato-conference-a-breakdown-from-ankara","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/this-is-not-a-drill-with-gavin-esler-4458337","url":"https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/NSR3585265778.mp3","audio_url":"https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/NSR3585265778.mp3","summary":"As member states gathered for the NATO conference in Ankara this week, leaders faced a series of questions over the future of the security alliance. As President Trump flew into Turkey criticising allies over spending commitments and their support in the Iran conflict, could they rely on the US commitment to NATO any longer?  And with Russia’s war on Ukraine ongoing, and the looming threat that Putin may yet test NATO’s resolve by targeting a member state, can allies meet defence budget pledges and defend Europe within a NATO less reliant on America? Oz Katerji hears the latest from the conference halls from Ed Arnold, Senior Associate Fellow, International Security at RUSI, the Royal United Services Institute. • Special offer! Get 20% off any vehicle history check at carvertical.com/drill • Support us on Patreon to keep This Is Not A Drill producing thought-provoking podcasts like this. Written and presented by Oz Katerji. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Managing Editor Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices","meta_description":"As member states gathered for the NATO conference in Ankara this week, leaders faced a series of questions over the future of the security alliance. As Pr…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":1809,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/this-is-not-a-drill-with-gavin-esler-4458337/episodes/inside-the-nato-conference-a-breakdown-from-ankara/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/this-is-not-a-drill-with-gavin-esler-4458337/inside-the-nato-conference-a-breakdown-from-ankara.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}