{"podcast":{"title":"This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler","slug":"this-is-not-a-drill-with-gavin-esler-4458337","podcast_index_feed_id":4458337,"rss_url":"https://feeds.megaphone.fm/doomsdaywatch","website_url":"https://www.patreon.com/thisisnotadrill","image_url":"https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/02401908-3ccc-11ec-bbb5-1772ce803003/image/3af8572d96101372a0602695e09e147d.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress","author":"Podmasters","episode_count":237,"summary":"Exploring threats to global stability from Ukraine to China to the Middle East with host Gavin Esler – former BBC News presenter, Washington correspondent and host of Newsnight – plus Ukraine-based war reporter Oz Katerji and independent conflict analyst Emma Beals. This Is Not A Drill dives deep into the dangers, corruption, conflicts, disinformation, rivalries and ruthless realpolitik that are making our world ever more dangerous. Support This Is Not A Drill on Patreon from just £3 per month to get each episode early plus bonus material and exclusive merchandise. From Podmasters, the team behind Oh God, What Now?, Paper Cuts and The Bunker.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-30T14:22:10.545142+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/this-is-not-a-drill-with-gavin-esler-4458337"},"episode":{"title":"Drone masters – How Ukraine reinvented modern warfare","slug":"drone-masters-how-ukraine-reinvented-modern-warfare","published_at":"2026-05-14T03:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/this-is-not-a-drill-with-gavin-esler-4458337/drone-masters-how-ukraine-reinvented-modern-warfare","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/this-is-not-a-drill-with-gavin-esler-4458337","url":"https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/NSR8806144350.mp3","audio_url":"https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/NSR8806144350.mp3","summary":"Putin thought that Ukraine would quickly fold under a massively superior Russian onslaught. Instead, the War has seen Ukraine reinventing itself as a world expert in drone warfare, exploiting cheap replaceable tech and digital networks to strike deep and painfully into Russia. Ukraine now leads the world in the air defence expertise required in today’s conflict zones – and nations across Europe and the Middle East now consult Ukraine on the fast-evolving drone tech they need in today’s unstable world. Can Kyiv use drones to gain a significant advantage in the war? And what will it mean for future conflicts, the ethics of war, and international security? Oz Katerji looks at the new frontier of battlefield tech with journalist and associate research fellow at the Henry Jackson Society, David Kirichenko. • Support us on Patreon to keep This Is Not A Drill producing thought-provoking podcasts like this. Written and presented by Oz Katerji. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Managing Editor Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices","meta_description":"Putin thought that Ukraine would quickly fold under a massively superior Russian onslaught. Instead, the War has seen Ukraine reinventing itself as a worl…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2223,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/this-is-not-a-drill-with-gavin-esler-4458337/episodes/drone-masters-how-ukraine-reinvented-modern-warfare/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/this-is-not-a-drill-with-gavin-esler-4458337/drone-masters-how-ukraine-reinvented-modern-warfare.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}