{"podcast":{"title":"The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe","slug":"the-way-i-heard-it-with-mike-rowe-558009","podcast_index_feed_id":558009,"rss_url":"https://feeds.libsyn.com/74011/rss","website_url":"https://sites.libsyn.com/74011","image_url":"https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/2/1/0/d/210d415ce6cbccdfd959afa2a1bf1c87/TWIHI_logo3.jpg","author":"The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe","episode_count":497,"summary":"What started as a series of short mysteries for the curious mind with a short attention span has evolved into enlightening conversations for the not-so-short attention span. Whether it's a short mystery, a long conversation, or an audio book, The Way I Heard It is a veritable box of chocolates for the ears, because you never know what you're going to get.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-28T20:20:29.035215+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-way-i-heard-it-with-mike-rowe-558009"},"episode":{"title":"473: Will Swaim—Don't Follow California","slug":"473-will-swaim-don-t-follow-california","published_at":"2026-03-03T11:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-way-i-heard-it-with-mike-rowe-558009/473-will-swaim-don-t-follow-california","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-way-i-heard-it-with-mike-rowe-558009","url":"https://thewayiheardit.rsvmedia.com/473-will-swaimdont-follow-california","audio_url":"https://claritaspod.com/measure/dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/mgln.ai/e/1124/prfx.byspotify.com/e/arttrk.com/p/MRWRK/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.libsyn.com/secure/thewayiheardit/473_Will_Swaim.mp3?dest-id=323283","summary":"Mike talks with Will Swaim , CEO of the California Policy Center . California has long marketed itself as the future—a place where trends are born and the rest of the country eventually follows. But Swaim argues that when it comes to public policy, that's the last thing America should do. Despite spending roughly $24 billion, California still leads the nation in homelessness. The state ranks near the bottom in education outcomes, while residents face the highest energy and gas prices as well as marginal income tax rates in America. Swaim argues these aren't accidents—they're the predictable results of bad policy choices.","meta_description":"Mike talks with Will Swaim , CEO of the California Policy Center . California has long marketed itself as the future—a place where trends are born and the…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3957,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-way-i-heard-it-with-mike-rowe-558009/episodes/473-will-swaim-don-t-follow-california/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-way-i-heard-it-with-mike-rowe-558009/473-will-swaim-don-t-follow-california.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}