{"podcast":{"title":"The Vergecast","slug":"the-vergecast","podcast_index_feed_id":415434,"rss_url":"https://feeds.megaphone.fm/vergecast","website_url":"https://www.theverge.com/the-vergecast","image_url":"https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/e4c412e6-e1f0-11e8-9bde-83f9d376f059/image/fa367fa8b1b6ca01fc4b8c34d83ba4d8.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress","author":"Vox Media Podcast Network","episode_count":1043,"summary":"The Vergecast is the flagship daily podcast from The Verge about small gadgets, Big Tech, and everything in between. Every Friday, Nilay Patel and David Pierce hang out and make sense of the week’s most important technology news. And Monday through Thursday, David leads a selection of The Verge’s expert staffers in an exploration of how gadgets and software affect our lives – and which ones you should bring into yours.","last_synced_at":"2026-08-01T02:18:18.596068+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-vergecast"},"episode":{"title":"How Steve Jobs became Steve Jobs","slug":"how-steve-jobs-became-steve-jobs","published_at":"2026-06-09T19:20:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-vergecast/how-steve-jobs-became-steve-jobs","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-vergecast","url":"https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/pscrb.fm/rss/p/mgln.ai/e/257/traffic.megaphone.fm/VMP1105649179.mp3?updated=1781032665","audio_url":"https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/pscrb.fm/rss/p/mgln.ai/e/257/traffic.megaphone.fm/VMP1105649179.mp3?updated=1781032665","summary":"Long before Steve Jobs was the unstoppable force of nature atop Apple, shipping hit product after hit product, he was practically run out of the company after a series of bad product and management decisions. But as Geoffrey Cain argues in his new book, Steve Jobs in Exile: The Untold Story of NeXT and the Remaking of an American Visionary, the 12 years Jobs spent outside of Apple turned him into the leader the world came to know. Cain joins the show to talk about Jobs' experiences at NeXT and Pixar, how Jobs learned to be a successful leader, and the true power — and danger — of the reality distortion field. Further reading: Steve Jobs in Exile Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. (Timestamps are approximate.) 00:01:30 Intro 00:01:56 90 Seconds on The Verge 00:03:46 Interview with Geoffrey Cain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices","meta_description":"Long before Steve Jobs was the unstoppable force of nature atop Apple, shipping hit product after hit product, he was practically run out of the company a…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2594,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-vergecast/episodes/how-steve-jobs-became-steve-jobs/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-vergecast/how-steve-jobs-became-steve-jobs.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}