{"podcast":{"title":"The Thinking Practitioner","slug":"the-thinking-practitioner-958450","podcast_index_feed_id":958450,"rss_url":"https://www.thethinkingpractitioner.com/feed.xml","website_url":"https://www.thethinkingpractitioner.com","image_url":"https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/image-logo/6037716/ttp_cover_art_1400x1400px_20191001al.jpg","author":"Til Luchau & Whitney Lowe","episode_count":175,"summary":"For the practitioner who’s never stopped being curious. Til Luchau and Whitney Lowe bring together leading researchers, master clinicians, and big questions from across bodywork, massage, and manual therapy — exploring not just what we do with our hands, but why it works and how to do it better. Smart, grounded, and genuinely useful conversations for the somatic arts and sciences. For professional practitioners in bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedics, sports massage, physical therapy, and osteopathy — as well as yoga, strength and conditioning, and allied professions. This podcast is not medical or treatment advice.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-22T18:19:44.451763+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-thinking-practitioner-958450"},"episode":{"title":"165: Multi-State Massage License: Coming Soon? (with Debra Persinger)","slug":"165-multi-state-massage-license-coming-soon-with-debra-persinger","published_at":"2026-03-04T10:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-thinking-practitioner-958450/165-multi-state-massage-license-coming-soon-with-debra-persinger","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-thinking-practitioner-958450","url":"https://www.thethinkingpractitioner.com/e/165-the-multi-state-license-is-coming-with-deborah-persinger/","audio_url":"https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/hfmp6pm5g9wwgd6s/TTP_165_audio_202602236h51n.mp3","summary":"🎙 The Interstate Massage Compact (with Deborah Persinger) Deborah Persinger is the Executive Director of the Federation of State Massage Therapy Boards (FSMTB), and she joins Whitney on The Thinking Practitioner to break down one of the most significant regulatory developments in our profession’s history: the Interstate Massage Compact. If you’ve ever moved to a new state and had to navigate a whole new set of licensing requirements — or if you live near a state border and can’t legally work on the other side — this episode is for you. The compact would create a multi-state license allowing eligible massage therapists to practice across state lines without meeting separate requirements in each state. It’s already been adopted by five states, with two more needed to stand up the commission and make the license a reality. But there’s more at stake than portability. Deborah explains how the compact was carefully designed to address human trafficking in the massage profession — a daily reality for regulatory boards — and why the details of how the compact is written matter enormously for keeping bad actors out while making life easier for legitimate practitioners. ✨ Topics discussed include: Whitney and Deborah walk through the compact’s origins, the 625-hour education standard, the role of the Department of Defense, and the current obstacles to getting it across the finish line. • What the Interstate Massage Compact is — and how multi-state licensing works• The 625-hour education standard: where it came from and why it was chosen• Home state vs. remote state — how the compact defines where you practice• Why the Department of Defense supports the compact (military family portability)• The five states that have adopted so far: Nevada, Ohio, Arkansas, Virginia, and Montana•…","meta_description":"🎙 The Interstate Massage Compact (with Deborah Persinger) Deborah Persinger is the Executive Director of the Federation of State Massage Therapy Boards (F…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2513,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-thinking-practitioner-958450/episodes/165-multi-state-massage-license-coming-soon-with-debra-persinger/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-thinking-practitioner-958450/165-multi-state-massage-license-coming-soon-with-debra-persinger.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}