{"podcast":{"title":"The State of It","slug":"the-state-of-it-5218105","podcast_index_feed_id":5218105,"rss_url":"https://feeds.acast.com/public/shows/3b497baf-71cb-4c27-ae5a-f1e801822221","website_url":"https://www.thetimes.co.uk","image_url":"https://assets.pippa.io/shows/621f5d0f4892fde41624d4ac/1758518523558-c1d7432f-3f01-45e2-a3c5-4c0c8592e901.jpeg","author":"Dan Box","episode_count":51,"summary":"Real reporting from the coalface of British politics. Join The Times and The Sunday Times’s political heavyweights Steven Swinford, Patrick Maguire and Lara Spirit as they dig deep into the latest tea room tip offs, reveal insider conversations and bring analysis, authority and insight. No party loyalty. No spin. Not hosted by some old politicians. Taking you into the real business of politics, from those who live it daily. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.","last_synced_at":"2026-06-22T22:18:38.877022+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-state-of-it-5218105"},"episode":{"title":"Andy Burnham wins Makerfield: what happens now?","slug":"andy-burnham-wins-makerfield-what-happens-now","published_at":"2026-06-19T12:04:30+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-state-of-it-5218105/andy-burnham-wins-makerfield-what-happens-now","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-state-of-it-5218105","url":"https://shows.acast.com/times-daily-world-briefing/episodes/andy-burnham-wins-makerfield-what-happens-now","audio_url":"https://sphinx.acast.com/p/acast/s/times-daily-world-briefing/e/6a3515716f90df4cb7fa83c6/media.mp3","summary":"Andy Burnham's victory in Makerfield makes him Labour leader and prime minister in waiting. How will the next days and weeks play out? Keir Starmer has said he will stand in a leadership contest if one is triggered. So does that mean a bloody contest rather than a coronation? In a special episode recorded live on Times Radio with Ed Vaizey, we go through the possible scenarios. And if Andy Burnham does become prime minister, what will he do with power? Who will be in his cabinet? We're told that Shabana Mahmood has turned down the offer of chancellor and will stay as home secretary. Is Ed Miliband still a likely candidate for chancellor? And what to do about Wes Streeting? We also look at the Conservative win in Aberdeen South. Is this a green shoot for the Conservative Party? And will the Makerfield result prompt some soul searching in Reform UK? Ed Vaizey, presenter, Times Radio Steven Swinford, political editor, The Times Lara Spirit, deputy political editor, The Sunday Times Producers: Harry Kitson, Erin Carney Executive producer: Molly Guinness Picture: Getty Images 00:00 - Intro: \"They’re Going to Have to Drag Him Out\" 00:20 - Welcome to The State of It: The Makerfield Shockwave 00:56 - An Extraordinary Result: How Andy Burnham Defied Political Gravity 03:00 - \"Vote Burnham, Get Starmer Out\" Campaign Strategy 04:05 - Keir Starmer Strikes Back: Leadership Contest or Coronation? 06:37 - Starmer's Response: \"I'm Not Going to Walk Away\" 07:14 - Inside Starmer's Bunker: Refusing an Orderly Transition 09:16 - The Secret List: 80+ MPs Backing Andy Burnham 11:06 - Nigel Farage's Disappointment: Reform UK Share Drops 12:00 - Kemi Badenoch's Tories Resurge in Scotland 13:04 - Did Reform UK Choose the Wrong Candidate? 14:04 - The Identity Schism Deepening Inside Reform UK 1…","meta_description":"Andy Burnham's victory in Makerfield makes him Labour leader and prime minister in waiting. How will the next days and weeks play out? Keir Starmer has sa…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":1986,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-state-of-it-5218105/episodes/andy-burnham-wins-makerfield-what-happens-now/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-state-of-it-5218105/andy-burnham-wins-makerfield-what-happens-now.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}