{"podcast":{"title":"The Room Podcast","slug":"the-room-podcast-3398569","podcast_index_feed_id":3398569,"rss_url":"https://feeds.simplecast.com/aPz9Qkq6","website_url":"https://the-room.castos.com","image_url":"https://image.simplecastcdn.com/images/620cd330-fbe4-42af-97b0-ffae7fe15085/8e1c0db1-29ba-47b6-b67c-fa1aad6a268f/3000x3000/image.jpg?aid=rss_feed","author":"Claudia Laurie & Madison Mcilwain","episode_count":142,"summary":"Welcome to the Room. A series interviewing your favorite tech founders and funders. Our guests were in the room where it happened and they’re sharing their stories.","last_synced_at":"2026-06-26T00:19:52.993966+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-room-podcast-3398569"},"episode":{"title":"Ethical AI, Iteration Velocity, and the Future of Software with Grant Lee (Gamma), Noah MacCallum (Open AI), Malte Ubl (Vercel), Chris Messina (Product Leader), Ash Kumrah (The AI Collective) | Inside Summit 2025 [LIVE]","slug":"ethical-ai-iteration-velocity-and-the-future-of-software-with-grant-lee-gamma-noah-maccallum-open-ai-malte-ubl-vercel-chris-messina-product-leader-ash-kumrah-the-ai-collective-inside-summit-2025-live","published_at":"2025-12-16T13:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-room-podcast-3398569/ethical-ai-iteration-velocity-and-the-future-of-software-with-grant-lee-gamma-noah-maccallum-open-ai-malte-ubl-vercel-chris-messina-product-leader-ash-kumrah-the-ai-collective-inside-summit-2025-live","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-room-podcast-3398569","url":"https://the-room.castos.com","audio_url":"https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/cdn.simplecast.com/audio/cf6dc480-9dd7-4da5-8aa6-0ccf203be4b8/episodes/c798191f-080f-4ada-8e7c-b021c5635963/audio/8ea79ab4-f67f-4c6e-b3db-06e2a894373c/default_tc.mp3?aid=rss_feed&feed=aPz9Qkq6","summary":"In this special live panel episode of The Room Podcast from Inside Summit 2025, host Ash Kumra sits down with an all-star group of AI and product leaders: Noah MacCallum of OpenAI, Grant Lee of Gamma, Malte Ubl of Vercel, and Chris Messina, inventor of the hashtag and longtime product strategist. Together, they represent the cutting edge of applied AI, developer platforms, design tooling, and the social technologies that shaped how we communicate today. Throughout the conversation, the panel digs into what ethical AI actually means in practice, how founders should think about scaling from early demos to real-world robustness, and why “iteration velocity” may matter more than perfection. From Noah’s breakdown of vibes-based iteration versus formal evals, to Chris’s framing of AI as a new expressive medium rather than just a technology, this episode is packed with perspective for builders navigating the next era of software. The discussion ultimately challenges founders to focus less on hype and more on clarity of vision, taste, and long-term impact.","meta_description":"In this special live panel episode of The Room Podcast from Inside Summit 2025, host Ash Kumra sits down with an all-star group of AI and product leaders:…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2175,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-room-podcast-3398569/episodes/ethical-ai-iteration-velocity-and-the-future-of-software-with-grant-lee-gamma-noah-maccallum-open-ai-malte-ubl-vercel-chris-messina-product-leader-ash-kumrah-the-ai-collective-inside-summit-2025-live/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-room-podcast-3398569/ethical-ai-iteration-velocity-and-the-future-of-software-with-grant-lee-gamma-noah-maccallum-open-ai-malte-ubl-vercel-chris-messina-product-leader-ash-kumrah-the-ai-collective-inside-summit-2025-live.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}