{"podcast":{"title":"The Panel","slug":"the-panel-7164233","podcast_index_feed_id":7164233,"rss_url":"https://feeds.transistor.fm/the-panel","website_url":"https://panelpodcast.com/","image_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/yWTY-CXNtG83hTvs8v6jtRWX3yJm2opOPvMUwx-AwN4/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:1400/h:1400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9mMDAy/MzY0MGUzMTllNDU5/YTBkM2E5ZmEyZTIx/MjdiZC5wbmc.jpg","author":"Justin Jackson, Brian Casel, Jordan Gal","episode_count":55,"summary":"When it comes to bootstrapping and building software, there's rarely one right answer. We want to dive into the nuance. In every episode, veteran founders Justin Jackson, Brian Casel and Jordan Gal tackle thorny topics – from pricing and product strategy to work-life balance. No gurus, no easy answers – just real conversations we'd normally have behind closed doors.","last_synced_at":"2026-08-01T10:21:21.241827+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-panel-7164233"},"episode":{"title":"Embracing our AI business owning bots","slug":"embracing-our-ai-business-owning-bots","published_at":"2026-02-27T14:20:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-panel-7164233/embracing-our-ai-business-owning-bots","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-panel-7164233","url":"https://panelpodcast.com/35","audio_url":"https://op3.dev/e/media.transistor.fm/0be57b66/63ca16ff.mp3","summary":"Brian and Jordan talk about the need for developers to adapt to survive, Brian debates how much of a content creator he is vs product seller, Jordan relates his experience talking with investors, and the rise of zero human companies ZHC. Timestamps: (00:18) - Welcoming Justin er Jordan back to the show (02:48) - Companies that we're surprised aren't adopting AI tools (11:49) - Roles are blending together (20:18) - Is Brian a product person or creator? (33:36) - Or should he be doing consulting? (37:27) - Debating taking funding for Saas (48:10) - Zero Human Companies YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Matt Pocock on X: \"Something that I think goes under-emphasized is how much AI coding demands a 'lead dev' mentality. If you spent your pre-AI career trying to level up your teammates (through API design, feedback loops, architecture) Then working with AI will feel natural. If you only focused\" Extend Claude with skills - Claude Code Docs About - Gauntlet AI Austen Allred on X: \"Kelly (my AI bot) used 5 subagents to one-shot this app end to end. Zero human involvement. Insane. She’s building App Store worthy apps entirely by herself on the daily now.\" Tom Osman 🐦‍⬛ on X: \"I work on the assumption that the most powerful AI models are far more intelligent than me. My job is just to assist when needed. This morning I gave @JunoAgent a Deep Research model to explore different token design routes based on what we're working on. This came out 👇🏻\"","meta_description":"Brian and Jordan talk about the need for developers to adapt to survive, Brian debates how much of a content creator he is vs product seller, Jordan relat…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3390,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-panel-7164233/episodes/embracing-our-ai-business-owning-bots/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-panel-7164233/embracing-our-ai-business-owning-bots.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}