{"podcast":{"title":"The Panel","slug":"the-panel-7164233","podcast_index_feed_id":7164233,"rss_url":"https://feeds.transistor.fm/the-panel","website_url":"https://panelpodcast.com/","image_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/yWTY-CXNtG83hTvs8v6jtRWX3yJm2opOPvMUwx-AwN4/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:1400/h:1400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9mMDAy/MzY0MGUzMTllNDU5/YTBkM2E5ZmEyZTIx/MjdiZC5wbmc.jpg","author":"Justin Jackson, Brian Casel, Jordan Gal","episode_count":55,"summary":"When it comes to bootstrapping and building software, there's rarely one right answer. We want to dive into the nuance. In every episode, veteran founders Justin Jackson, Brian Casel and Jordan Gal tackle thorny topics – from pricing and product strategy to work-life balance. No gurus, no easy answers – just real conversations we'd normally have behind closed doors.","last_synced_at":"2026-08-01T10:21:21.241827+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-panel-7164233"},"episode":{"title":"DRUNK ON FABLE","slug":"drunk-on-fable","published_at":"2026-07-11T03:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-panel-7164233/drunk-on-fable","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-panel-7164233","url":"https://panelpodcast.com/52","audio_url":"https://op3.dev/e/media.transistor.fm/3d3ea68f/ea47b766.mp3","summary":"What happens to the value of software when everyone can make software? Timestamps: 00:00 Welcome to The Panel 00:31 Brian’s Brighton Ruby trip 03:12 Building FlyWrite in the car 05:01 Why existing coding tools don’t work for writing 07:20 What FlyWrite actually does 11:37 Building version one with Fable 16:04 Jordan’s weekend build and first AI-native workflow 28:38 Claude Design and interactive prototyping 36:41 AI, software supply, and productivity 39:09 The Jeremy Giffin podcast episode 48:55 What AI means for Transistor and hosting 58:19 Google, Microsoft, Apple, and the AI distribution war 63:28 Figma, design careers, and the white-flag mindset 74:08 What happens to agencies and web designers 81:05 Transition pain vs. long-term upside 90:13 Becoming AI-native and where do displaced workers go? YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️ 🎤 Send us an audio or video message 📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com 📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Superconductor faster.dev ConductorAI Cursor Flywrite Railway Base44 Lovable Wildbit Blog (Natalie Nagele) Harvey ROI Calculator Spots.fm Spots (2018 archive) Product People shoutout (2013 archive) Claude Design Invest Like the Best — Jeremy Giffon Gal Shir on X Chef hierarchy pyramid The widening productivity-pay gap","meta_description":"What happens to the value of software when everyone can make software? Timestamps: 00:00 Welcome to The Panel 00:31 Brian’s Brighton Ruby trip 03:12 Build…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":6024,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-panel-7164233/episodes/drunk-on-fable/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-panel-7164233/drunk-on-fable.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}