{"podcast":{"title":"The Other 22 Hours","slug":"the-other-22-hours-6074570","podcast_index_feed_id":6074570,"rss_url":"https://feeds.redcircle.com/25702579-c239-4f18-9846-0535a20082ac","website_url":"https://redcircle.com/shows/the-other-22-hours","image_url":"https://media.redcircle.com/images/2026/3/2/3/e404bf63-764b-485e-b856-73123a45674a_to22h_cover_art_square.jpg","author":"Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss","episode_count":157,"summary":"An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between. A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world. Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-02T00:18:22.307935+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-other-22-hours-6074570"},"episode":{"title":"Michaela Anne + Aaron Shafer-Haiss on intuition vs assumption, creative ownership, and vulnerability as a faucet.","slug":"michaela-anne-aaron-shafer-haiss-on-intuition-vs-assumption-creative-ownership-and-vulnerability-as-a-faucet","published_at":"2026-05-20T11:00:52+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-other-22-hours-6074570/michaela-anne-aaron-shafer-haiss-on-intuition-vs-assumption-creative-ownership-and-vulnerability-as-a-faucet","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-other-22-hours-6074570","url":"https://www.theother22hours.com","audio_url":"https://audio2.redcircle.com/episodes/b1ad3002-1719-4081-a579-c96d1b5caa8e/stream.mp3","summary":"To celebrate our 150th episode, we try a bit of an experiment: interviewing ourselves, for the first time. After nearly two decades of partnership, we examine the evolution of the creative self. Michaela Anne, whose fifth record These Are The Days marks the first record that she retains total ownership of in over a decade, discusses the \"massive shift of self\" required to walk away from industry gatekeepers. Aaron Shafer-Haiss, whose compositions have scored major network dramas like Station 19 and The Good Doctor, reflects on the \"utilitarian creativity\" of a producer. It is a conversation about resilience, the \"growth seesaw\" of a creative marriage, and the realization that the dream is already happening.","meta_description":"To celebrate our 150th episode, we try a bit of an experiment: interviewing ourselves, for the first time. After nearly two decades of partnership, we exa…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3132,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-other-22-hours-6074570/episodes/michaela-anne-aaron-shafer-haiss-on-intuition-vs-assumption-creative-ownership-and-vulnerability-as-a-faucet/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-other-22-hours-6074570/michaela-anne-aaron-shafer-haiss-on-intuition-vs-assumption-creative-ownership-and-vulnerability-as-a-faucet.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}