{"podcast":{"title":"The Moral Imagination","slug":"the-moral-imagination-1176352","podcast_index_feed_id":1176352,"rss_url":"https://moralimagination.libsyn.com/rss","website_url":"https://www.themoralimagination.com/podcast","image_url":"https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/2345140/f237656e46c06d769905a4459a214bd1.jpg","author":"Michael Matheson Miller","episode_count":63,"summary":"Michael Matheson Milller","last_synced_at":"2026-07-02T22:17:51.928287+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-moral-imagination-1176352"},"episode":{"title":"Ep. 42: Jeremy Tate: Whoever Owns the Test Owns the Curriculum: Classic Learning v. Industrial Model","slug":"ep-42-jeremy-tate-whoever-owns-the-test-owns-the-curriculum-classic-learning-v-industrial-model","published_at":"2022-07-01T20:00:50+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-moral-imagination-1176352/ep-42-jeremy-tate-whoever-owns-the-test-owns-the-curriculum-classic-learning-v-industrial-model","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-moral-imagination-1176352","url":"https://www.themoralimagination.com/p/ep-42-whoever-owns-the-test-owns-536","audio_url":"https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/142169493/23e276364c24051171dd7ddb7f950b9a.mp3","summary":"In this episode, I speak with Jeremy Tate, the founder of the Classic Learning Test about school testing, curriculum, and the classical versus industrial models of education. Jeremy argues that the current testing regime of the SAT and ACT have a tremendous influence on the curriculum taught in public and private schools. They promote a utilitarian vision of learning and drive students away from the classical Western tradition and serious reflection on what makes a good life. In response, Jeremy and his team developed the Classic Learning Test not only to be a better, more rigorous test, but to positively influence the curriculum toward more serious reading, and introduce students to the classic texts of the Western Tradition and those which shaped the founding of the United States, By ignoring these texts, the current testing and curricula regimes exclude students from engagement with the tradition. One of Tate’s colleagues noted that she could go from Kindergarten through a Ph.D. without reading Homer, Plato, or Shakespeare. This unfamiliarity with the tradition makes people unaware of history and complexity, unable to make distinctions, and thus more susceptible to propaganda and manipulation. It excludes the poor from opportunity and indoctrinates the elites into utilitarian and progressive ideas that they think are simply facts. As C.S. Lewis described, “10 years hence” we can find ourselves on the side of the philosophical controversy that we didn’t even know was up for debate. We discuss a number of themes including The revival of classical education Whether you should go to college or not? Education and virtue Human Formation C.S. Lewis's The Abolition of Man Eustace Scrubb and the Chronicles of Narnia Elite students focus on test scores rather than on learning…","meta_description":"In this episode, I speak with Jeremy Tate, the founder of the Classic Learning Test about school testing, curriculum, and the classical versus industrial…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":4316,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-moral-imagination-1176352/episodes/ep-42-jeremy-tate-whoever-owns-the-test-owns-the-curriculum-classic-learning-v-industrial-model/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-moral-imagination-1176352/ep-42-jeremy-tate-whoever-owns-the-test-owns-the-curriculum-classic-learning-v-industrial-model.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}