{"podcast":{"title":"The Messy City Podcast","slug":"the-messy-city-podcast-6070040","podcast_index_feed_id":6070040,"rss_url":"https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/1271500.rss","website_url":"https://kevinklinkenberg.substack.com/podcast","image_url":"https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/1271500/7260785aa3e48f4ea76ebcd046c98a31.jpg","author":"Kevin Klinkenberg","episode_count":126,"summary":"Embracing change, uncertainty and local initiative for our cities and towns","last_synced_at":"2026-07-29T02:19:59.713844+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-messy-city-podcast-6070040"},"episode":{"title":"Do our communities need better hardware or better software?","slug":"do-our-communities-need-better-hardware-or-better-software","published_at":"2026-03-03T14:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-messy-city-podcast-6070040/do-our-communities-need-better-hardware-or-better-software","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-messy-city-podcast-6070040","url":"https://kevinklinkenberg.substack.com/p/do-our-communities-need-better-hardware","audio_url":"https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/189673273/cc00f0180fc41ed2e788a007ccfcb2a1.mp3","summary":"Longtime friend-of-the-pod Abby Newsham returns, on her hiatus from the popular Upzoned podcast. Abby is a practicing planner in Kansas City with Olsson Associates . Abby is very active working with communities leading planning charrettes, and we talk at length about what a charrette actually is, the value of it, and why doing charrettes can actually give you hope that people can solve problems together. Then we talk about Billy Cooney’s article that was republished in Southern Urbanism , called, “Zoning Won’t Save Us, ” which is basically on piece on why we over-rely on technocratic solutions to problems that are actually very human. I might say, you can’t solve a culture problem with a technical manual. Find more content on The Messy City on Kevin’s Substack page . Music notes: all songs by low standards, ca. 2010. Videos here . If you’d like a CD for low standards, message me and you can have one for only $5. Intro: “ Why Be Friends ” Outro: “ Fairweather Friend ” Get full access to The Messy City at kevinklinkenberg.substack.com/subscribe","meta_description":"Longtime friend-of-the-pod Abby Newsham returns, on her hiatus from the popular Upzoned podcast. Abby is a practicing planner in Kansas City with Olsson A…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":4057,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-messy-city-podcast-6070040/episodes/do-our-communities-need-better-hardware-or-better-software/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-messy-city-podcast-6070040/do-our-communities-need-better-hardware-or-better-software.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}